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Internet News   Internet News : Is Amiga Ready for the Enterprise?
   posted by MikeB on 18-Mar-2004 23:31:06 (3779 reads)
From ServerWatch's Enterprise Unix Roundup, written by Michael Hall:

"We read a few days ago that the Amiga operating system has changed ownership yet again, this time to be brought back as some sort of mobile technology. The deal itself is somewhat old, but we were pleased to note in all the coverage that a new version of the basic operating system is due out some time this year. We couldn't be more relieved, and we intend to make it a point to mention this exciting development at every press party we attend. Why? Because it's high time something besides Linux dons the "alternative OS" mantle."
    

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Re: Is Amiga Ready for the Enterprise?
Posted on 18-Mar-2004 23:43:22
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"High time" indeed!

Seems Aone owners aren't the only ones that are just a little tired with the developement of Linux!

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promoting Amiga as the new Insurgent Operating SystemTM might be the best way to unstick them. We'll get the ball rolling by pointing out it can run Apache.


An ally in the press! How refreshing.

Could BBRV be wrong? Could it be true that someone (other than a few amiga freaks) is longing for another alternative to existing os's?

Funny noone ever mentions MorphOS.


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Doesn't say much but at least someone noticed I guess.


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We read a few days ago that the Amiga operating system has changed ownership yet again, this time to be brought back as some sort of mobile technology.

Well, for an outside observer, they came close enough, I'd say...sheez, the Amiga scene is one big mess these days, innit?

Anyways, is this great or is this great?! 'tis cool, I'd say..

So, what's ServerWatch, are they any big? A reliable, high profile resource, of some sorts?
And what's their definition of server-ready, will OS4.0 comply to their standards once it's released?


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Umm, guys... its sarcasm. They're picking on reporters and tech writers being stuck on the whole "is _____ ready for Enterprise?" theme.

Amiga ain't it. I'd be angry is it *was* because it wouldn't be small, fast and built for multimedia anymore then, would it?


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Sarcasm or not, I did'nt know Apache existed for Amiga. That's interesting at least...

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Yeah, the article is sarcastic really it appears.

AmigaOS doesn't have a third of what is required in an enterprise operating system, desktop or server. It is a good late 90's style operating system, running on 2000-era hardware at the moment. Nothing wrong with that though, I'm not dissing it. Better than the early 90's style OS it was before.

Add in pervasive memory protection. A good security model. Multi-user capabilities, with the option to mount NFS, CIFS, etc (shouldn't be too hard, Samba already runs on it doesn't it? Just needs a little integration). A good, fully featured, modern looking (not like Outlook, urgh) Internet connectivity suite (fully featured web browser, e-mail client, calendar, etc, IM, etc, etc), a port of OpenOffice (nothing else is an option to beat MSOffice, and MSOffice isn't an option!) and a lot of desktop games for bored secretaries. Oh, remote management, configuration, etc as well.

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Poster: mepmepmep Date: 18-Mar-2004 20:38:09

Sarcasm or not, I did'nt know Apache existed for Amiga. That's interesting at least...


Oh yeah, Apache for Amiga has been around for about 7 years now.

http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/97-03-21

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Well, my linux group was teasing me a little last night about my "Amiga Hobby". Looks like I'm in for some more ribbing next meeting when I bring this article up.. hehe.


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AmigaOS4.0 /IS/ ready for the enterprise ( I can say that having worked on enterprise solutions for 8 years ) however, like everything it has its /place/ in the enterprise and that is part of the reason happybiscuit is being formed to promote.

Obviously you cant use it as a server in the enterprise, and I wouldn't suggest it takes the place of office/workstation compared to more worthy alternatives such as Linux or (spit) WindowsXP based ones. But there are a few niches it fits nicely into, but I don't want to spoiler my own plans

In general though, it needs to get to released state FIRST.

 
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Yeah, the article is sarcastic really it appears.

Of course

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AmigaOS doesn't have a third of what is required in an enterprise operating system, desktop or server. It is a good late 90's style operating system, running on 2000-era hardware at the moment. Nothing wrong with that though, I'm not dissing it. Better than the early 90's style OS it was before.

This is accurate, but typically enterprise writers tend only to think about the section of the enterprise they generally work in or what platforum they advocate occupies.

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Oh, remote management, configuration, etc as well




As I said, there are parts of the enterprise it will do well in, if projects port some of the enterprise connectivity software on there ( and Im not talking about the list he put there either ).

 
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@Hattig:
> Add in pervasive memory protection.
Guess what is going on in the moment ...

> A good security model.
Almost no virus is working on Amiga... and there is no Outlook which is IMHO already a good improvement to Windows

> Multi-user capabilities,
MuFS ? IIRC it can also be encrypted, but yes: this FS is a little old now.

> with the option to mount NFS
Look on AmiNet for NFS tools, it is there.

> CIFS
Pointless point.

> A good, fully featured, modern looking (not like Outlook, urgh) Internet connectivity suite
Mail: YAM is great ! More or less like TheBat on Windows.

> (fully featured web browser
This is really missing, but people are working on this!

> calendar
There exists tools, but you have to look a little around on the net.

> IM
Comeon, we have plenty of them on the Amiga: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, etc. even Jabber is working.

> a port of OpenOffice
Yes, I'm waiting for this, too. But AFAIK there are already some people working on it.

> a lot of desktop games for bored secretaries.
Hey, we are the Amiga - ever heard that Amiga has to few small games

> Oh, remote management, configuration, etc as well.
Do you know VNC ? It's there since years.


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Yeah yeah, but these things need to be better integrated.

Once you have an OS4 native look browser, e-mail client and IM application (hopefully a single application that does all the protocols) then most people's use of computers is fulfilled!

Native Look? Yeah, done in Reaction following a common style design guideline for Reaction (should be similar to the old class Amiga Style Guidelines I'd imagine) so that they fit in.

AmiNet is not an option for an enterprise OS. It should come with the OS, or be easy to obtain without having to know of some arcane website and the name of the protocols. Apple has this all sorted out, nicely integrated and it works.

Security isn't about viruses. It is about exploits, cracks, etc. It will be hard to get to the same level of quality as OpenBSD, heh!

Oh, give me a built-in SSH server (based on OpenSSH of course, OpenSSL and all that too) with the OS. Give me command line versions of the desktop configuration/information tools too to make SSH useful. VNC is all very nice and all, but it isn't the be-all-and-end-all of remote operation.

Yeah, multi-user will mean at least OS enforced seperate userspaces, even if the OS can only be used by one user at a time on the desktop. Home: would be an assign made after login to link to Work:Users/Graham/ ... obviously file permissions would be needed, luckily FFS supports them, so MuFS built-in and enhanced would be nice. Multiple users will mean that OS configuration will have to be different for each user, so User-Env-Archive will be a folder in Home: heh. Then you'll need policies to define what users can do when logged in, what they can configure, run, install, etc ...

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Well as long as they don't redicule amiga. It can only be good, that some one outside the amiga community mentions amiga.

BTW. did not know you could get NVC for amiga.

But I have looked at using my amiga as a webserver, Apache with MySQL :)


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Umm, guys... its sarcasm. They're picking on reporters and tech writers being stuck on the whole "is _____ ready for Enterprise?" theme.

Boy, am I an idiot then...I should learn to read articles more thoroughly before commenting on them, I guess. Or refrain from writing posts at 1am. Or pick up on my sarcasm detection skills...

But of course, it should be evident, that anyone implying that AOS would actually be a serious alternative for any type of computing needs must be joking, right? I mean, to imply that it would be a viable option as far as OS'es go (app availability set aside), would just be plain silly, no?

Obviously it's not a server OS, atm. But why would it be useless to any type of enterprise?


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I didn't get the impression they were making fun of us from that article. I think he is right in pointing out the industry is stuck. Linux is different in its own way, but it really isn't at the sametime. The GUI looks like a knock off of other operating systems. Example K-Office looks like Microsoft Word to me. The GUI feels like A Mac, however, unlike the Mac, linux is hard to use and setup. The AmigaOS has its own unique feel and look (even our programs look different), and it is relatively easy to setup. All we really need is to update our software (My two cents).

I would also like to point out that AmigaOS could definately be an enterprise solution. Why not? The OS is lean and mean and easily expandable. You could always plug the things it is missing into it. And as far as us missing openoffice, etc, well we can rememdy that, can't we!

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about the topic, LOL

rofl


HEHE HAHAHA

...anyway its another story that says the name amiga so its a good stunt


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@Hattig:
> Yeah yeah, but these things need to be better integrated.
I agree, but work is in progress and it will be integrated betrer sometimes, I'm sure.

> Once you have an OS4 native look browser, e-mail client and IM application (hopefully a single application that does all the protocols)
> then most people's use of computers is fulfilled!
I personally like separated programs for browsing, mail and IM much more as you can just start the mailclient without the need to start a huge framework of a "one-man-show" program like Netscape. The applications are already very well fitted together like klicking a mailto-link in a browser can start the mailclient and vice versa etc.

> Native Look?
Native look and feel is already availible for all applications - if you want it.

> AmiNet is not an option for an enterprise OS.
Well, how about a contribution-drawer on the OS-CD ? (This will be there, too.)

> Security isn't about viruses. It is about exploits, cracks, etc.
Do you really think so ? Today most security problems in enterprises are caused by employees getting spammed with viruses and the less professionals will open them just because they have a funny subject. Really, I know what I'm speaking about...
Most exploits and cracks can be easily supprest by setting up a restrictive firewall blocking the corresponding ports (in & outbound).

>It will be hard to get to the same level of quality as OpenBSD, heh!
Many exploits will not run on a PPC anyways since they are written for x86-CPUs.
So there is not such a big gap between OpenBSD/PPC and OS4/PPC.

> Oh, give me a built-in SSH server (based on OpenSSH of course, OpenSSL and all that too) with the OS.
> Give me command line versions of the desktop configuration/information tools too to make SSH useful.
Well, where is the difference of "build-in SSH server" and optional OpenSSH server with an installer?
(I already managed to compile latest OpenSSH&OpenSSL-sources to compile on AmigaOS 4).

> VNC is all very nice and all, but it isn't the be-all-and-end-all of remote operation.
Well you asked for remote services and this is one fulfilling this need...

> Yeah, multi-user will mean at least OS enforced seperate userspaces, [...]
I think is a big thing that has to be addressed for one of the next releases, not for OS 4.0.

Ok, I hope I could show you, that most of the things you requested are known to be neccessare and that also many of them are already in the works. Perhaps the situation is not as dark as you described in your first post.


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Seems funny! When I opened forums about the Amiga being a server everyone jumped on that with it will never happen... Linux is so superior for that ... etc, etc...

I'm not shocked at all, In fact I saw it comming. Eytech are trying to sell the micro as a server and not just one running Linux either. It was hinted that IBM was going to be looking at AOS very closely. I don't see how anyone can say that AOS is not capable when no one has seen what's ahead for AOS 5 or even in between 4 and 5. Just looking at the features list for 4 gives a good hint of this.

Not surprised at all, but very happy about it!

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Almost no virus is working on Amiga... and there is no Outlook which is IMHO already a good improvement to Windows


But if AmigaOS gains some market, the viruses will come back.


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