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Hardware News   Hardware News : Intel Announces 65nm Breakthrough
   posted by Seer on 8-Sep-2004 23:51:38 (2695 reads)
"Intel claims to have achieved a significant milestone in developing next-generation chip manufacturing technology. In what is proving to be a self-fullfilling prophecy, Intel has managed to shrink transistors enough so that chips can have more of them. It was Intel's founder, Gordon Moore, who, in 1965, claimed that the number of transistors on a chip would roughly double every two years. This prediction has come to be known as Moore's law and this latest achievement, Intel claims, confirms its founders prediction."

More here

I suppose IBM is looking towards doing the same.
    

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Re: Intel Announces 65nm Breakthrough
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That's nice for them, but how is this news related to Amiga computers?
I would rather read Amiga related news here.

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Well Denis, it got posted so the moderator thinks it was important/related. But I guess you'd rather not see IBM making PPC's using 65nm tech....

It's called progress, what Intel invents is just as important to us as if IBM invented it.


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This is the next milestone beyond 90nm, Intel and IBM/AMD have been working on it since before 90nm was fully functional and IBM is allready talking up 45nm

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This is the next milestone beyond 90nm, Intel and IBM/AMD have been working on it since before 90nm was fully functional and IBM is allready talking up 45nm

Also note the part about "leakage". Shrinking is one thing, but also increasing transistor performance is (imo) somethinge else.


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It's called progress, what Intel invents is just as important to us as if IBM invented it.

Besides, my dad can beat up your dad anyday.


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Besides, my dad can beat up your dad anyday.

Well, really, that's not so difficult... My dad ain't big

Perhaps I was a bit agressive.


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@seer

> Well Denis, it got posted so the moderator thinks it was
> important/related. But I guess you'd rather not see IBM
> making PPC's using 65nm tech....

I didn't say it wasn't important, I just don't understand how an anouncement by Intel affects the Amiga 'community'.

> It's called progress, what Intel invents is just as
> important to us as if IBM invented it.

I don't agree with you. What IBM invents could end up in an AmigaOne someday. What Intel invents can only affect the Amiga in an indirect way, as Intel stuff is not used any Amiga (AFAIK). (I do have some zorro boards with AMD chips.)

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I don't agree with you. What IBM invents could end up in an AmigaOne someday. What Intel invents can only affect the Amiga in an indirect way, as Intel stuff is not used any Amiga (AFAIK). (I do have some zorro boards with AMD chips.)

Intel made a big step forward in chip processing, it's not about Intel, it's about technology. If it was IBM who was the first to get 65nm chips then it counts as news ?

Back in the good old days we read about Atari news. By your reasoning what Atari did wouldn't affect us as well, as it would never be used in our Amigas.

Intel is a big player in this market, what Intel does surely is important to IBM/Motorola as well even if they don't make x86 chips, but they sure will look at this and make use of it sooner or later. If not, they'll fall behind.

Besides, maybe some of the memory chips you use are made by intel. Then this news is related if you read it.


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> Intel made a big step forward in chip processing,
> it's not about Intel, it's about technology.

OK, I get it now. Sorry if I was a little slow to understand.

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Sorry if I was a little slow to understand.

Hey, you're a cheesehead like me, you're forgiven


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@A3000T

Quote:
I don't agree with you. What IBM invents could end up in an
AmigaOne someday. What Intel invents can only affect the Amiga in an
indirect way, as Intel stuff is not used any Amiga (AFAIK). (I do have
some zorro boards with AMD
chips.)


Intel invented PCI. Intel invented USB. (Neither of which is
affected by this announcement)


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This is the next milestone beyond 90nm, Intel and IBM/AMD have
been working on it since before 90nm was fully functional and IBM is
allready talking up 45nm


"fully functional"
Last I was aware, Intel, IBM, and AMD weren't 'quite' up to 100
percent yield on their 90nm processes. There don't seem to be many
3.6GHz P4s available even now, and 3.4s still are priced quite a bit
more than the 3.2GHz parts. (Let's not talk about the EEs)

I don't expect a whole lot of 65nm parts much before the end of 2005.


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The fabs are fully functional in the sense that they are churning out chips for production use. No fab ever acheives 100% yields, impurities in silicon ensure that. I can't remember off the top of my head (And it's too alte to go and look it up) but I suspect most don't go above 60%, at least not consistantly.

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One that relates to AMD/IBM 65 nm processes refer to http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040813040951.html

Since AMD/IBM are partners i.e. one could guess the next IBM's PPC development. PPC970 and AMD64 seem to be running near parallel with each other.


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One could include AC97, AGP, PCI-Express and X86 ISA**.
**A1?s Uboot BIOS carries a light weight X86 emulator for PCI initialization (recalling)...


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That web page seriously screwed up my eyes. WHITE ON BLACK TEXT ARRGGHHH. im gunna b seein lines on everythin for the rest of the day now grrrr

 
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