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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : Wanted! Dead!
   posted by Mikey_C on 3-Jul-2005 23:07:55 (5590 reads)
Got a non working AmigaOne board that no longer functions? If so, all is not lost!

We are willing to take your old board and pay YOU $35 plus shipping

Today we launch a new project to help the amiga community, we are going to take non-working AmigaOne's remove the working parts and offer them to other less fortunate Amiga users.



Why pay for new and expensive parts? With this project everyone will benefit!

Help us to get there, can you offer Mother Board repairs? if so we are looking for Depots/Repair centers in USA, Europe and the Southern hemisphere.

If you are willing to help us organise this project, please get in touch

Contact me via my Amigaworld.net account

Thanks

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Re: Wanted! Dead!
Posted on 3-Jul-2005 23:15:23
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$35 for an OS4 enabler BIOS? Interesting...

If anybody decide to send them the board, remove the BIOS, but first consider that: Maybe your board could be fixed easily!

So, be careful with such an advertisements.

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I can prove my right:

QUote from ann.lu:
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If someone already owns the AmigaOne board, and OS4, then the license has already been paid. I've got seven dead AmigaOne boards coming to me from an ad on Moobunny asking to buy dead boards.

I'm still looking into the best way of doing this, but the interest is definately there. Dead AmigaOne boards are becomming common, and can be had cheap, so sourcing legit OS's and the Bios isn't a problem.

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$35 for an OS4 enabler BIOS? Interesting..
If anybody decide to send them the board, remove the BIOS, but first consider that: Maybe your board could be fixed easily!

So, be careful with such an advertisements.


This is all on the up and up and honest! This an OS4 support project. No games here!

I wish to help out those like Hegis who need parts to get up and running again.-D

Another party is trying to play games with the Bios offering 25$ for a dead A1. I have nothing to do with that offer, but to raise the bid $10 and use the parts in support of the Amiga

Happy Independance everyone !


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Chip 
Re: Wanted! Dead!
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You are offering, "taking out parts" and not "fixing the board".

I'm still doubt you are trying to help.
Interesting thing, today I read about this bios ripping trick on ann, and whitin few hours your advertisement popped up. Interesting "coincidence".

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@Chip
Do you do motherboard repairs Chip?

Quote:
You are offering, "taking out parts" and not "fixing the board"
I'm still doubt you are trying to help.
Interesting thing, today I read about this bios ripping trick on ann, and whitin few hours your advertisement popped up. Interesting "coincidence".


Thats what this post is all about Chip. Getting a bank of repair parts together, so we can have the Amiga dealers "fixing the board".

What you failed to note in your posts.

"if so we are looking for Depots/Repair centers in USA, Europe and the Southern hemisphere."

Sorry I don't have the time, or interest (other than support of the platform). We are looking for the Amiga dealers to come and join this program and see that repairs are done.


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Getting a bank of repair parts together,


AFAIK, they are common parts. Nothing special in them. You can buy any of them in the shops. The only valuable 'non-common' part is the AmigaOS4 enabler BIOS.

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AFAIK, they are common parts. Nothing special in them. You can buy any of them in the shops


your just looking to play games here......SORRY I won't play.

enough said; you are now being ignored., if you have "issues" with that you can email me.


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Sorry I don't have the time, or interest (other than support of the platform). We are looking for the Amiga dealers to come and join this program and see that repairs are done.


Ok. If you are really fixing the boards, I'll apologize.

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If the idea is to "rip out the Bios" to supposedly "legalise OS 4" running on non-licensed hardware, forget it.

The OS 4 EULA ties Amiga OS 4.0 to licensed hardware i.e. AmigaOne hardware.

Broken A1 boards should be repaired, there are a number of repair outfits offering this service.


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Wow, such a generous offer. (Sarcasm).

I don't dispute what you are trying to do here, whatever the purpose. I just think anyone silly enough to sell a non-functional AmigaOne for just $35 needs to be locked up in the loony bin for their own wellbeing.

On a completely different subject, anyone who has a 1-2 year old car that has run out of petrol; let me know and I'll buy it from you for $35. I'll even pay to have it collected it from you.


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Anyone with blunt lawnmowers, I'll give a tenner for em! This is mad! It really insults the community if you think you can buy a $700 board off a less knowledgeable Amiga user, solder a few dry joints and get to keep it for the sum of $35.

This is not a scam or a con as the bloke is being completely transparent about it. If I had a dead A1 and I couldn't fix it I would want at least $350.

Edit: Unless the board was COMPLETELY black by some massive voltage damage! then, $35? It's yours!

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i think it's silly too think that someone will sell a 600+ dollar motherboard for 35 dollars.
i sense a mathematical inconsistency here.


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i think it's silly too think that someone will sell a 600+ dollar motherboard for 35 dollars.


Sorry if i have to put this project back on track, but this whole project started because of postings on Ann and Moo regarding a $25.00 offer to purchase dead A1's. I just thought that the seven people (if can believed) should get more for their MB's and not be part of a game to hijack OS4.

Key quote from below that made me form this project.
Quote:
I've got seven dead AmigaOne boards coming to me from an ad

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From Moo:
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Will pay $25 + shipping. The BIOS ROM must be functional, the board being
fried beyond recognition is fine, so long as the BIOS ROM is ok.

Contact Eddie at Abstract Industries AbstracXXXXXXXXXXX


From Ann:
Comment 39

Quote:
But can I run AOS4 on it?
If you legally own OS4 and a ROM, there may be something available soon, in the form of a PCI add on card with a socket.


Ann comment 45:

Quote:
Come on, even if, then do you honestly think that people will appriciate this trick to avoid paying a licence for something that definitly earns its license fee?

If someone already owns the AmigaOne board, and OS4, then the license has already been paid. I've got seven dead AmigaOne boards coming to me from an ad on Moobunny asking to buy dead boards.

I'm still looking into the best way of doing this, but the interest is definately there. Dead AmigaOne boards are becomming common, and can be had cheap, so sourcing legit OS's and the Bios isn't a problem.

What do you mean by "trick?" There's nothing trickier about this than running WinUAE or MacOnLinux.


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Hope this clears up things !


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>Anyone with blunt lawnmowers, I'll give a tenner for em!

Now that's just being stupid!

You are comparing offering a small sum of money for something which is BROKEN to offering a small sum of money for something that just NEEDS REGULAR MAINTENANCE.

In other words --- you and I and everyone else *knows* how to get that blunt lawnmower back to perfect condition. You and I and everyone else has no idea what is "broken" with any of the dead A1s, much less how to fix it.

>If I had a dead A1 and I couldn't fix it I would want at least $350.

Why? Is a dead board worth $350 to you? How so? In what way would you derive $350 worth of benefit from it which you'd have to do without if were to sell it? And if you believe a dead board to be worth $350, would you be willing to pay your fellow Amigans $100 for *their* dead boards?

A Porsche is a nice and expensive car. A Porsche that has had a head-on collision with a wall at 200km/h is broken. If you can sell it for 5% of the original price, to someone who needs replacement rear light covers, you are lucky.

I'd advise anyone who has a problem with the price offered to visit a bankruptcy and/or surplus liquidation auction in their area, where things get sold "condition unknown". It gives one a whole new perspective on what stuff is worth. If you still think it's too low a price, make a better offer.

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All I have to say drop it. If you'r intention is running OS 4.0 into pegasus system by ripping off BIOS then remove that idea from your mind for good, I am already flaming with rage by your unholy thoughts. for Godsake support A1 already, people stop hurting A1 by piracy and support it by buying the damn thing. Is that too much to ask?

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@interesting

Quote:
I just thought that the seven people (if can believed) should get more for their MB's and not be part of a game to hijack OS4


Actually no, I don't believe anyone fell for this.

Of course, if people really did think selling their A1 for $25 was good compensation for their time, never mind the value of the board, then that's entirely their own business.

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@umisef

Quote:
You and I and everyone else has no idea what is "broken" with any of the dead A1s, much less how to fix it.


Precisely the reason why you should get it repaired by an expert, not just throw it away like some cheap calculator. For all you know the board might be working perfectly and you haven't configured the hardware right. Or the Uboot chip needs reflashing. Or a software problem, etc., etc.

Even if something is broken an expert has the skills, tools, documentation and components to repair it. It would have to be a pretty darn expensive repair job to make dumping the board for $25 or $35 seem like a good alternative!

Even the guy who ripped the rom socket off his board should know that the value of the other components are still very valuable. Like that CPU module for instance.


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OK, well I for one wouldn't mind paying a small fee for a dead CPU module.
I'd like to investigate different heatsink options, both off-the-shelf and
custom/modified.
I'm not gonna pull the working module from my micro-AOne every time I want to "test fit" a different heatsink.

Since I have a micro, I shouldn't need much, but the CPU fan is the only moving part that I may need a spare for one day, and I'd like to be ready.

I'm not going to get into a debate over who should be doing what with spare parts.. It's only my business if I care to participate.

Just thinking ahead, and trying to fill a need. PM me if you want to sell me a dead CPU module.

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I think some off you should really put down the crack-pipe...

If Interesting, Eddie or someone else really wanted to rip the BIOS, they certainly wouldn't be fishing for a bunch of dead mobos (and thats not even taking into account the futility of such a project as their is no easy way to get the BIOS to run anywhere else).

So just forget about that one !

35 $ might sound low, but it really ain't when you remember that this for a defunctive piece of HW with unknown error.

If you happen to know whats wrong with your A1, if it's trivial AND ou got someone to repair i than this offer is nothing for you.

But if for example you have a burned SB, you would need to find someone who could diagnose it, has the tools&skills for doing BGA-repair and a source for the chip. Add shipping to it, and your easily above 200$, with no guarantee thats the SB is really all that was broken.

Some of these parts may be impossible to source in single quantities unless you solder them from other boards.

The real bummer in this is that such a procedure (buy a bunch of electroinic trash to create working units) is normally only done with vintage-computers atleast 10 years old....


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Got a non working AmigaOne board that no longer functions? If so, all is not lost!

We are willing to take your old board and pay YOU $35 plus shipping...




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WOW are they kidding!?!?! so its oke to pay like 550 for a A1_C mobo.. it gets knakrard and they will but it back for a measly $35 !!! what the heck is the world coming too, in my granfarthers time u neverchucked stuff away !. u repair it and use it again,,. in thease days its oh the fuze in the plugs gone! ooh dear lets chuck it away and buy another!... or the dog chewed my lead to the TV ohh ill buy a new TV!.

anyway If my A1_C didnt work id send it back regardless if it was under garantee or not! and pay for it to br repaired!! 35 is an insult i think!


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