Sounds like a good event

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Sounds like a good event

would still like to see the video.

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Wow! - I've been waiting for this show for ages, hoping some cool news would hit my eager Amigamind. I'm truely dissapointed about the lack of Amiganews. After all, this is the one show where Amiga.Inc should be present (if they have a physical representative) -

I'm still dreaming about Bill McEwen smashing through the wall in a gigantic 18-wheeler boing coloured monstertruck. Then jumps out and start shouting FANTASTIC news to everybody!

This years Amiwest was a big waiting turnoff. Maybe not for those attending the show, who probably had a great time, but for all of us who hoped for something else......like unveiling the mystery device perhaps......sigh!

Well at least there was a show. Great to see the community doing what their mothercompany should do. But at least Amiga.Inc should have attended......freaks!

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Good write-up, although questionable as to if 2 people are '10% of the beta-testers worldwide'

Did tekmage save the video for release?

Also, you have mail regarding 'challenge #2.'

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Wow! - I've been waiting for this show for ages, hoping some cool news would hit my eager Amigamind. I'm truely dissapointed about the lack of Amiganews. After all, this is the one show where Amiga.Inc should be present (if they have a physical representative) -

From what I saw of the pics available, this was like several amiga clubs coming together. Fifty or more in attendance is good when you consider little new hardware etc. Keep in mind that the uA1 is double the UK price in the US! AmiWest was a 3-400 attendance show in prior years.

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>development. The development of a "new BASIC" for OS4 was also proposed as
>a way to encourage people who own Amiga Ones to write their own software.

I don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

Steffen

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I don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

might want to ask ssolie about this, it came from his presentation. " Looking for a very simple system to learn/start programing under OS4." Something along those words.

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@Steffen
Can't speak for the original intent, and I MUCH rather prefer C, C++, python, java etc to anything like BASIC, but I'm assuming this was meant towards the 'bedroom coder' who may yet find C a bit daunting.

Personally, I think Python in combination with a few AOS specific modules and a UI builder could be a really nice thing on AOS...

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the learning curve might be shorter with basic. But, to shorten that curve, I'd learn Python instead.. a modern language with lots and lots of online resources and it's in use today on many, many operating systems.

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So where are the photos, link please.

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Good write-up, although questionable as to if 2 people are '10% of the beta-testers worldwide'

Actually there were more than 2 beta testers present. We had spies in the crowd...

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Actually there were more than 2 beta testers present. We had spies in the crowd...

Lol, and yet you somehow didn't get one of them to do the 'surprise speech'? (You know...'hey, do the speech and I'll give you an 'early early beta')

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I don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

I'll take a nice flat procedural language over one that freaks out if you've got a curly bracket in the wrong place any day of the week..!

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Hehe, Steven never had time to find anyone else to do it. The big mistake was putting the show schedule on the screen where he could read it. They probably thought he would run if he knew about it.


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Saw you in the bar when I left. Just wondering how many drinks it took to get over the shock.

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I don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

While I agree that Basic is basically a thing of the past, I don't agree that it's better using C/C++ than any other language.. C is not good enough for real object oriented programming, and C++ is WAY to complex for hobby developers to master. A managed language with bindings to Reaction/MUI is absolutely essential to increase the number of developers IMO.

Personally, I like Java and C¤ a lot. A port of Mono, with added binding to MUI, something like MUI#, would be cool..

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I don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

I find it a little scary that you don't get it......This isn't to tell you off or anything, but you must recognise that not everyone is an 37337 hax0r like you. (did I get it right?...sorry). We can't have the attitude that if you don't know how to program in C/C++ then you have no business writing AmigaOS software. Some people just don't want to invest the time and have already invested it in basic anyway.

There are a hell lot of a lot of Microsoft Visual Basic programmers out there and there is more growth there than arguably any other language(at least that I can see in the Australian job indexes). Some people prefer high level code and believe it to be more productive, and indeed, at least they are more productive in it. What if I don't want to know how to allocate memory and when to release it for instance? Why can't things be automated for me?....I don't care if you call me a sloppy programmer...I'm getting the job done and that is more important. And pointers and references....c'mon man. Really a lot of devs even consider C/C++ as a thing of the past.

And yes, while there are libraries that make C/C++ life easier you still have to know what they are and why you need them....which usually means you need to be a C/C++ programmer in the first place. I mean.....where the hell do you start? Where's the documentation?

I dunno, while BASIC is nice I wouldn't have put it at the top of the list, I would have put the creation of a Developers Book for AmigaOS or AmigaOS4 there at the top of the list. I think it better if it contains tips on maintaining compatability with Classic, MorphOS and AROS too for greater penentration and interest.

Oi....this was not intended to start a flame about what language is best. Just that there are others interested in an alternative and it would be great if they were catered for.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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don't understand this. Actually with C/C++ where you have tons of libraries which "simplify life" it's much better using C/C++ than using any other programming language. Basic is really a thing of the past IMHO... what would it offer what more modern languages don't ?

A quick turn a round for software development. Something like VisualBasic.Net would be great and anyone with a good idea for an application, could knock it up very easily. It's pretty easy to learn BASIC.

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Steffen,

My 10 years old son has written various things in BASIC, like a PacMan game, while if he had to take care of pointers being valid, he would still be debugging his first "hello world"...

BASIC is the perfect language for beginners (made for that, eh).

We need a good BASIC indeed (plus, there is no reason it would not be open to using any os4's library interfaces).

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Hollywood and Hollywood Designer is good for beginners but a little short on some of the file handling functions. (It was not designed to handle databases.) It is Amiga specific but not OS4 specific, however.

As for the GUI and GUI builder for Python we would only need WXWidgets to be ported to the Amiga and we could then reuse WXGlade which was written in Python using the WX extension.

We'll see what Mattathias Basic comes with when Sidewinder comes out with it. It's supposed to be an object-oriented Basic compiler with a C backend. He's a little busy with work, however...

Any news on Pagestream? Was it demoed?

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