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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : HP now has licence to use Gateway Patents
   posted by Colin_Camper on 2-Mar-2006 16:18:02 (4412 reads)
HP, Gateway sign $47m patent pact - Read about it at The Register

Note there is no mention of Amiga patents.
    

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Re: HP now has licence to use Amiga Patents
Posted on 2-Mar-2006 20:46:44
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Uhh, and if you RTA, where exactly are you seeing anything about Amiga patents being granted??


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i don't think it will be Amiga patents at all, they are to do with power managment, password and keyboard patents etc. that HP holds on l;aptops so I should think it only covers similar gateway patents that HP breached with its laptops

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Ah, I assumed Colin Camper new what he was talking about.

Should I remove this news item anyone? As it seems that it's not relevant


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It mentions general patent sharing between HP and Gateway; and since Gateway still owns the Amiga patents (IIRC), then this might grant HP the use of them. But I really cannot imagine that HP would want to do anything with the Amiga patents anyway.

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er No, me neither.


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Should I remove this news item anyone? As it seems that it's not relevant


Yes. The titel is misleading. There is no talk of Amiga patents and the stuff they do talk about has got nothing to do with Amiga.

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Before any further actions are taken with reagrds to the news item, I would like some clarificatioon on which patents are involved. The language and emphasis used in the article suggests to me at least that HP now has a license to ALL of Gateways IP as does Gateway to ALL of HPs IP, hence the large amount of cash being paid to HP by Gateway, which seems disproptionate to the patents themselves that were mentioned.

If this does indeed include any Amiga Patents, this then infringes and probably invalidates the agreement between Gateway and Amiga, Inc (suposedly an exclusive license) and that therefore has a knock-on effect with the agreements with Eyetech and most importantly Hyperion Entertainment.

In fact a little clarification on how owns what at this point would be very welcome.

I am reasonably sure that Amiga OS 4.x is owned by Hyperion Entertainment but Amiga OS as a whole is owned by Amiga, Inc along with the brand, but all the pre-OS4 technology (pre A1 Amiga hardware) is owned by Gateway?????

In the meantime... HP RISC anyone


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The only thing i can find on the gateway-site is this:

Quote:
1997 Highlights

Acquisitions

Certain assets of AMIGA Technologies, GmbH. AMIGA pioneered industry developments in multimedia, 32-bit multitasking and auto-configuration.


Seems like the person who will know the most is Petro.

Edit: but on the other hand we don't know what exactly it is that Amiga Inc. has licenced
or what they have buyed back from gateway in 2000.

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HP now has a licence to use ALL of Gateways' patents including the Amiga patents.

I would say this was a relevant news article.

Amino/Amiga were sold a non-exclusive right to the Amiga patents along with exclusive rights to the Amiga name, trademarks and logos by Gateway.

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If I remember correctly all the Amiga patents and stuff was transfered
to a holding company, what sole interrest is to uphold the patents and
licencing. Amiga Inc was given full licencing right to Amiga brand and
AmigaOS, I guess forever.. I think they bought AmigaOS sources and
the right to use the Amiga name and to relicence it to third parties.
But in the end it's still Gateway who owns "Amiga" and all patents
Commodore acquired

If Amiga Inc does something extremely bad for the brand (has they not yet?)
I would imagine Gateway has the right to break the contract?!? Thus
refuse Amiga Inc and Hyperion to use the name Amiga in any product
they sell. But this is really unlikely I think.


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@Colin_Camper

What interrest would these patents hold today? Most of them where acquired
in the '85-'91 region. Also many are OS related.. What would HP need them for?

I'm not saying all patents are useless today..

IMHO I think this contract is more about their modern PC/laptop stuff than for
the old Amiga patents.


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What interrest would these patents hold today?


I have no idea. But if something happened in the future and people wanted to know about the status of these patents - at least this item would be searchable. Maybe their is some relevance to guys like Dennis if he decides to commercialise his minimig,

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@PEB

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But I really cannot imagine that HP would want to do anything with the Amiga patents anyway.


I never said it was particularly interesting news. However HP have a licence to use ALL Gateway patents. This includes the Amiga patents.

Most people could not imagine Bill Buck wanting to do anything with AmigaDE but i recall his attempt to obtain this through legal action was very newsworthy at the time.

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Ah, I assumed Colin Camper new what he was talking about.


Yes I did know what I was talking about. I read the bit where it said that HP had been granted a licence to use ALL of Gateways patents.

Well no it doesn't explicitly say this! But I like to live dangerously!
I assumed the fate and status of the Gateway Amiga patents was newsworthy.
Let's not bother with news like this and go back to User groups announcing their scheduled meets shall we?

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@Colin_camper
Quote:

However HP have a licence to use ALL Gateway patents. This includes the Amiga patents.


Where do you see this itemized or stating all, in the article? What I saw is:
Quote:
HP and Gateway have agreed to settle their legal differences with a $47m payment, from Gateway to HP. The two firms fell out in 2004 over patent infringement allegations made by both companies against each other - both now have a licence to use the other's intellectual property.


Unless this is clarified somewhere, I'm not too likely to believe this means 'all,' likely I'd expect it to mean whatever IP was previously in dispute by both of their prior lawsuits...?

Quote:
Let's not bother with news like this and go back to User groups announcing their scheduled meets shall we?


Ugh, please, no, anything but that!

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Well, I'm not a lawyer (famous last words!) but I understand (I worked in Cisco during the period we were acquiring lots of companies) that the first explicit quote leads directly to the next implicit assumption.

Quote:
both now have a licence to use the other's intellectual property.


Quote:
HP have a licence to use ALL Gateway patents. This includes the Amiga patents.



Anyway, really! Who cares! Any other user groups with meetings coming up in the next couple of weeks?

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Do we know if the Amiga Inc licence has an expiry date?
Have they been licenced for a set period?


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Did Amiga Inc only acquire a license? Or did they actually buy Amiga???

There are a number of outcomes depending on whether Amiga own Amiga or merely license it. A license does not grant a right merely a permission to perform something - it's likely Gateway wouldn't allow Amiga to succeed because they may compete, whereas the complete purchase of the company finalised by deed would grant Amiga Inc a more favourable position especially if they become marketable.


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and all the above if Gateway was the actual Amiga owner! do you have current/recent evidence of it?


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As far as my knowledge/research would indicate, Amiga is wholy owned by Amiga Inc, Gateway retained a number of Patents that the released during ownership of the Amiga.

Gateway have no cause of claim on Amiga and Amiga have no cause of claim on Gateway - so just out of interest where did the presumption that Amiga was held on license appear? For our sakes I hope it isn't


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