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Hardware News   Hardware News : Pegasos/Morphos Review
   posted by L8-X on 15-Mar-2003 20:55:33 (2386 reads)
There is an interesting review of the Pegasos with Morphos online by SpaceHawks' Worldnews.

....it can be read HERE!
    

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Ryu 
Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
Posted on 16-Mar-2003 2:22:23
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am I the only one that sees this bit a little odd?

"It's not for the desires of a monster OS - it's intended for something which started it's carrier on a mere 7MHz M68000 CPU."

Now im sorry but MorphOS did NOT start its "carrier on a mere 7MHz 68000 CPU", AmigaOS DID.

I really do wish people would stop confusion the 2, they are completely different operating systems, written by different people. Okay so MorphOS has a similar API and can emulate the 68k instruction set but that does not mean it magically becomes AmigaOS.


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Kay 
Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
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Heh, if what's being marketed under the name "MorphOS" DID start it's career on a 7 MHz MC68000, Genesi could find themselves in a very troublesome legal position. Anyway, I've heard it described as a "reimplementation" of AmigaOS, and I think that is just about as far as one can stretch it.

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Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
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Seems like a nice enough review, the writer seems to be striving for fairness. That's a breath of fresh air.

MOS seems like a fairly nice system, feature-wise quite similar to AmigaOS (I wasn't really expecting much difference, I mean look at Windows, Linux, etc. Differences mostly in implementation, not features). It was interesting reading about the different 68K emulators - it felt a bit like reading about the space race, with the different rockets made by the Americans and Soviets. Same requirements, different solutions.

I just have one question about MOS about something that strikes me as a bit weird - the paragraph 'We simple type in: "boot /pci/cd boot.img" and there it is: it's MorphOS, in standard 640x480 resolution.'

Why can't you boot directly into MOS when you switch on? did the reviewer have some sort of debug mode enabled? It just seems a bit nasty to me to kick off a GUI operating system from text mode, especially when you read things like 'if you want to print out the result of 3+4, you have to type in the unholy "3 4 + cr" string.' As a programmer, I can appreciate the power of postfix notation, but it's not, well, something I'd give my mom

Any MOS users here care to enlighten an AmigaOS heathen?

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Anonymous 
Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
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I can't even get to the review ( cannot find server )
but given I have no further interest in MorphOS
that is probably just as well.

 
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Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
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Most of the pictures on the reportt seem to be broken.

I still can't get past the fact that MorphOS is only "AmigaOS" in spirit. OS4 is AmigaOS. I have played with MOS at the WoA show in Nov 2002 and it is a very nice system. As an OS in its own right it is good, looks great and hopefully is more stable now then back then. However it isn't AOS, it is just AOS compatable.

MOS is good as a PPC OS, just as good as OS4 will be. I wish the MOS guys all the best, but I haven't waited all these years to get an "API compatable" OS, I want the real thing.


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I've noticed that, for whatever reason, Morphos supporters are *very* interested in being associated with the Amiga (that's why they keep on harping this "Amiga spirit" bunk - heck, PalmOS which runs on a 68K and uses almost no resources has more "amiga spirit" than either PPC OS). Maybe that's why some of them are so angry at us "blind followers of the name", they desperately want to be recognized as "real" amiga users but at the same time don't want the "official" OS. Why they don't just use AmigaOS, if they want "the name" is beyond me. Maybe it's ego related - they have said so much negative stuff about the amiga that they think they'd be losing face if they started using AmigaOS. I just don't know

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L8-X 
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There is only one OFFICIAL OS and thats OS4, Morphos as far as I can tell will only run OS3.X programs, when the OS4 software comes out Morphos won`t be able to run them anyway so they`ll have to have specific morphos versions.


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I don't have the facts of how it will boot, or how I will install MOS, I'll post facts when my Pegasos arrives and it's up and running. Doesn't look hard though
The current status for MOS/Pegasos is, that it's meant for 'advanced users', not for Joe Average.
I am not expecting a bugfree 100% working MOS when I finally start using it.

The review was very well done, and with time. Now that the guy has run it for a while, it would be nice see appendum and afterthoughts.

Where's similar review of AmigaOne running OS4 .. Hyperion boys, please?

 
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Posted on 16-Mar-2003 12:09:11
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this wouldnt be a good idea, simply because alot of people would call them biased. (and the fact that they write software, not reviews )

what is needed is a normal end user to do a review that no one has heard of before. i mean no offence to mikeb, but think of the uproar if he did a review


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Quite the opposite, would be a nice way to actually demostrate the best parts of OS, tell the keypoints and MAYBE even what is still lacking and needs polishing in future. Who could do the review better than the authors themselves?
Especially now that there is no OS to review outside Hyperion and betatesters.

 
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Re: Pegasos/Morphos Review
Posted on 18-Mar-2003 6:48:45
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Well, I don't really get your point about "the real thing" and "API compatible" OS. Both the systems are AmigaOS reimplementation, both have 68k emulation built-in. From technical point of view there is no significant differencies between them. It is the bless of Amiga Inc. what makes OS 4 the real thing? I guess "real" we can call something existing (in contrast to promises, screenshots and broken timelines), and according to this MorphOS is much more real than AmigaOS 4.


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From technical point of view there is no significant differencies between them.


The technical approach is significantly different. The ABOX is a "reimplementation" of an AmigaOS3.1 environment hosted on top of an alien kernel similar to for instance Umilator/Linux. The ABOX cannot take full advantage of the OS it is hosted on. (i.e. MP, SMP), although is not an emulator, unlike the Umilator.

AmigaOS4 uses a Next Generation Exec kernel as a replacement of the original Exec kernel and adds many new features.

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It is the bless of Amiga Inc. what makes OS 4 the real thing?


A new AmigaOS can only be made by the company who owns the AmigaOS source code and brandname. In combination with the hosted ABOX environment MorphOS is solely an AmigaOS-like operating system.

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I guess "real" we can call something existing (in contrast to promises, screenshots and broken timelines), and according to this MorphOS is much more real than AmigaOS 4


The Genesi team have missed various deadlines and promises as well. For instance MorphOS was about a year late for consumers. The same hardware team who have created the Pegasos, are many years late with regard to delivering a promised hardware solution since 1997. Also Genesi stated last year: "There is a Pegasos G4 now", while in fact there isn't a G4 Pegasos in sight even now.

The main reason why people fail to see this, is because Amiga Inc has been in the spotlight all the time, while the Genesi team didn't get much coverage.

However, just buy what you want and be happy!

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The main reason why people fail to see this, is because Amiga Inc has been in the spotlight all the time, while the Genesi team didn't get much coverage.


I'd say Genesi, and especially Buck has gotten his share of crap aswell. And especially in last months Genesi/MOS has been in spotlight, and AInc has been like a ghostcity in desert. Until the "10 weekly questions to Moss" of course, which I hope will change all this.

 
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@ Hooligan

Amiga was already in the spotlight from the start of the development process.

It is often a benefit to be able to quietly develop new products without needing to satisfy an entire community with the latest developments. I believe this an important reasons for the current misconception.

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Anonymous 
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Of course, just as it should be, and have been. But the ones who have been speaking are Hyperion and Mr.Akey. This is/was a very closed community who treats their hobby a little bit more than "just a desktop pc", they (we, us) NEED information.

And what comes to "...without needing to satisfy an entire community with the latest developments", wasn't it Amiga Inc. who promised regular updates in form of Executive Updates? Please point your browser at Executive Updates and tell me they are being regulary updated.

Maybe if they would have done as promised, they'd be a little bit safer of flaming and questioning.

 
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I know this.

Only Amiga Inc had the problem that they wanted to tell the Amiga community as much as possible. However when things turn out differently than expected this all back-fired. So they kept quiet.

Luckily things are certainly looking to turn for the better.

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I just have one question about MOS about something that strikes me as a bit weird - the paragraph 'We simple type in: "boot /pci/cd boot.img" and there it is: it's MorphOS, in standard 640x480 resolution.'

Why can't you boot directly into MOS when you switch on? did the reviewer have some sort of debug mode enabled? It just seems a bit nasty to me to kick off a GUI operating system from text mode, especially when you read things like 'if you want to print out the result of 3+4, you have to type in the unholy "3 4 + cr" string.' As a programmer, I can appreciate the power of postfix notation, but it's not, well, something I'd give my mom


Hello. I'm the author of the ominous article...

Tha fact is, you can get a Pegasos in 2 ways: either a complete, preinstalled system, or the Mobo+CPU card and buy the other parts yourself. I did the latter as it's cheaper.

When you order a preinstalled sysytem, you turn it on and it boots into MorphOS. If you buy the HDD yourself, you have to boot from the CD then format the HDD and install MOS to it. (like I did)

However, you have to perform only two operations in the SmartFirmware: at first, to boot the cd. Then format/install/etc. can be done from under MorphOS. The last time you will meet the SmartFirmware shell when you set autoboot on and make it point to the partition where you have the boot.img.

Hope it clears things up. As to updates in the article - I'd like to wait with that either when something groundbreaking happens (we had only one update since then, MOS is now 1.3 not 1.2), but more importantly I have heard rumour level info that OS4 is progressing nicely. I'd like to have the next article to be a review of that either by me or an other reviewer first. Hope it turns out to be true and have it soon.

 
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