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Hardware News   Hardware News : New high-end embedded processor
   posted by Fransexy on 24-May-2007 17:28:01 (3928 reads)
Applied Micro Circuits Corp. (AMCC) debuts today a new PowerPC core it hopes can drive the company into high-end embedded markets. The 90nm Titan is a dual-core processor that hits 2 GHz in bulk CMOS to deliver 8,000 Dhrystone MIPS.Titan could offer lower cost than the PA Semi device and dissipates just 2.5W average

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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
Posted on 24-May-2007 20:36:23
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Hellloooo, tech news.

Nice find Fransexy.

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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
Posted on 24-May-2007 20:53:21
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2.5 watts?

Uhm... my armpit gives off more heat than that.



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AMCC designed the processor to fit into an overall 15W system-on-chip device. That's about the same power consumption as PA Semi's highly integrated dual-core chip.


from here

edit2: according to eetimes

the PA6T-1682M from PA-Semi draws 25 watts at 2.0 GHz full load, and 15 watts average and produces 8800 Drystone MIPS.

So they are about equal. with PA6T-1682M drawing slightly more power to be slightly faster. Probably ends up being a matter of taste (or price).

Last edited by Insanity on 24-May-2007 at 09:06 PM.
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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
Posted on 24-May-2007 20:53:22
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I posted the news yesterday on AmigaImpact

On May 21 :
- IBM announces the Power6 at 4,7 GHz, for high end servers
- AMCC announces Titan, a competitor of the PA Semi chip for a desktop usage
- Freescale announces MPC5121e, a 400 MHz SOC with audio and video capabilities for the embedded market

They are the 3 most involved companies in PowerPC and they bring new products : yeaah !

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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
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So how long before ACK scrap their current high-spec design, and go for this processor instead?


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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
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I don`t know that they will. It is not clear if switching to AMCC´s new chip would give
us a better end product.

Is Titan even available yet? Did not find out from reading the press release.
IBM announced POWER6 in January last year, and it was formally launched
earlier this month.

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This is cool . . . Lot's of PPC to choose from . . .


Watch out though, the Pentium na-sayer's will be along any time . . .


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Watch out though, the Pentium na-sayer's will be along any time . . .


I prefer Turion 64's personally (especially if they're multicore).

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it's embedded...


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Re: New high-end enbedded processor
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Important note: This is just the core. It's not a chip. Yet.

However, they could wrap it in the basic building blocks of the 440SPe for a start. DDR2, PCIe, PCI-X, Gbe etc.
I'm sure everyone here would love that, as it would basically be on par with the 8641D already.

I guess it'll take about a year before we see any chips based on this...


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From the article it seems AMCC`s speed target is Freescale`s e500 core. The 8641D is
based on the newer e600 core, I was under the impression that it was faster than the e500,
and by extension faster than the upcoming Titan.

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Just think about Amiga laptop base don thins game consol or desktop computer.


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My Oimaga desktop embedded project board with no PCI slots, one serial port and a northbridge made out of some postage stamps and lint I found in my pocket will use this processor!!11oenoneeleven

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Fast 14 logic is based on overlapping clocks and a 1-of-N-encoding domino architecture, using small NMOS transistors with no p-channel complementary devices.
sounds quite awesome (even so (and possible just because) I don't understand anything).

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@Metaball

Didn't say it would be faster. Just that it would be up there in the same league. The 8548 (top of the line e500) has way too little PCIe to be any fun. The 8641D is actually also slower than this, but has a dual core and vector unit...


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They are the 3 most involved companies in PowerPC and they bring new products : yeaah !


And still, there are naysayers who say that PowerPC is dead


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Don’t think they realize how many boxes that comes whit PPC inside

Silent boxes do not have AMD or INTEL inside


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And still, there are naysayers who say that PowerPC is dead


I patiently await the arrival of a consumer-friendly, usable OS for a desktop PPC machine (and no, "typing" with the wii dildo in opera on some linux build while standing in front of the TV doesn't count) to prove otherwise.

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@FranSexy

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And still, there are naysayers who say that PowerPC is dead


In the context of mainstream computing platforms that's true.

The chatter about wattage and performance is interesting, but all of this amounts to a hill of beans when you consider the state of the platform and the people who manage the business.

Bottom line: the PPC offers no marketability or compelling technical advantages.

If someone can pay $500 for a PC that runs MacOS, Windows and Linux on the same platform efficiency and benchmarks mean nothing. And I'm not even mentioning application support.

If you're designing a module for a traffic light or a game console the argument may be quite different.

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@ne_one

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If you're designing a module for a traffic light or a game console the argument may be quite different.


Or DVD player, network router, supper computer or some android walking on mars

As longs as the consumer find the product useful, he don’t think about what OS it runs or what CPU that’s in it, it just box that do stuff.

The dumbest thing you do is to put Linux penguin on your product what will scare most off.


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I can't stand anymore reading about all these new PPC cpus while most of us (including myself) not having a computer enabled to run our beloved OS..


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