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News   News : REBOL 3.0 Alpha Released to selected developers.
   posted by iAMIGA on 3-Jun-2007 22:57:17 (3142 reads)
R3 Alpha 1 has been released, as promised, June 1, to selected developers.

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" Carl Sassenrath, CTO
REBOL Technologies
1-Jun-2007 2:41 GMT
Article #0091

R3 Alpha 1 has been released, as promised, June 1, to selected developers.

I'd like to jump up and down and do the REBOL yell, but... I'm so exhausted, I'll need to get some sleep and food first.

For now, we are keeping this group of earlier testers really small. Sorry. But, we need to keep it small and manageable for the next few weeks while we get it stable and polished up a bit more.

Many thanks to Cyphre and Gabriele for helping to make this release happen on time. I could not have done it without them. Thanks! "

REBOL 3.0 Alpha Released

    

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Re: REBOL 3.0 Alpha Released to selected developers.
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Is this for Amiga???


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I think that there will be an Amiga release eventually, but at first they will have to work on windows, linux and mac -versions to make any money of it.
The older versions of Rebol support over 40 OS'es and Amiga-OS too
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Carl Sassenrath was responsible for the Amiga-OS in the 80's and the CDTV in the 90's , thats why i think that there will be a port of REBOL3.

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Carl Sassenrath was responsible for the Amiga-OS in the 80's and the CDTV in the 90's , thats why i think that there will be a port of REBOL3.


Really?
So why did he not accept the offer for free AmigaOne for an OS4-port of Rebol he was offered a few years ago ?

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Carl attended the AmiWest show in Sacramento last year with hopes of picking up Amiga hardware. He was not able to do so. If he had the hardware, I'm certain you would see Rebol working on the Amiga. Stay tuned when the hardware shows up.

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Don't hold your breath.

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REBOL3 consists of several layers that have been opened up to the public, where the current REBOL2 is much more monolithic and closed. The closed part has been reduced to the language core itself, where REBOL3 allows you to write your own kind of device drivers.

This means that anybody can do an OS4 port of REBOL3, or to any other platform powerful enough to run REBOL3 (which probably leaves out the C64, ZX Spectrum, etc. ), but you don't necessarily need a display, so it can run on routers or embedded hardware.

More on that here.

I don't think it's likely that Rebol Technologies will do the AmigaOS4 port, which is why REBOL3 is constructed this way.

Last edited by HMK on 04-Jun-2007 at 05:53 AM.
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> I think that there will be an Amiga release eventually, but at first they will
> have to work on windows, linux and mac

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In one of the links provided by HMK, Carl says Quote:
This is the OS independent kernel that provides standard REBOL capabilities across all systems and devices. It is this component that makes REBOL operate identically on Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD, Sony, Nokia, Nintendo, and other systems.

I highlighted two systems, which probably mean the PS3 & Wii - both of which uses PPC processors. So if REBOL is available for them, then it should be possible to port REBOL to OS4 too

And from the order that Carl put those systems in, it seems like PPC will be the 2nd (or maybe 3rd) processor he will add support for...

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No, they will not do Windows, Linux, OS-X version first, to make some money. That was actual with monolithic R2 architecture.

With R3, Carl took different route. He knew, that small company like RT is not able to keep-up with all the platforms - impossible to support. So for R3, he abstracted it that way, that RT keeps platform independent Core in form of statically or dynamically linkable library. The rest is open source.

So, the community ports whole devices, OS layer, etc. for their platform of wish, and all RT does is - recompile for target OS/CPU, because rebol.dll has no platform specific code. Well, at least that is my theory

That aproach should free RT's hands to concentrate upon further technology enhancements to REBOL platform. And that library, which is REBOL, is 240KB download. I think that Carl, once again, proves that things can be kept efficient and small, once you have clever design underneath ...

In fact, the plan is to merge Rebol/View, AltME, and REBOL IOS into one AltME 3 Platform, which will create small virtual OS for small applets to run upon. The world is full of web 2.0 ajax junk hype, so why not to concentrate on web 3.0, right?

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The approach is good but unsufficient,there is a model to follow:windev
Web 3.0,we are just entering web 2.0,don't you think that Carl will be retired before!
As a reboler you certainly have already rebol 3 at home,so?
Tell us peckr

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First, my nick is pekr, not peckr It is abbreviation of my first and last name.

So - now what is your point? Should I admire professional development tool, which costs hundreds or thousands of dollars, and takes probably two CDs to install? I come from corporate sphere and if you want to play big, I can put WebSphere tools plus other surrounding infrastructure to the table and just ask you the same.

Of course there are better tools. REBOL can't compare to what you provided, but its not its intention either. Just looked briefly into WinDEV and it looks cool, yet rather complex.

REBOL is cool language from author, which first thinks, then codes. Extremly usefull at its size. The most important thing is, that it can be utilised by relative programming newcomer. It is an opener - kind of Arexx in internet age ....

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What i meant , Pekr...
is that w- language basis of windev ,which i briefly like you glanced through, reminds rebol.
Difference being, like you wrote,size.
But i think that it is mainly because of external modules,like jit compiler
So?

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What "so"? What do you expect me to say? I can guarantee you, that with R3, many users will jump to rebol, and one of the reasons will be - they will be able to actually do some cute and simple things with it. And that will be the main difference to dev environment you pointed me to - this is professional development tools ... we are talking very different things here ...

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ok passionate pekr let's wait and see.
Don't forget that your colleague john niclasen roams here from times to times.
I'm sure you will agree more easily with him than me.

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yes, Geomol, of course. He will show the world, how to get Deluxe Paint clone in Rebol View done in under 200KB

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The approach is good but unsufficient,there is a model to follow:windev


From what I can see, WinDev doesn't have much to do with what REBOL is: An executable Internet platform, based on a light weight messaging language.

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It's a matter of naming. Actually as a joke, Web 2.0 was a nickname for REBOL a few years back. The public then started using the Web 2.0 name about AJAX, XML-RPC and those things. Since these technologies are much behind in what REBOL can do and already does for us, reliably, we started saying "Web 3.0".

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