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Hardware News   Hardware News : New Minimig Pictures at AmigaForever.com
   posted by mcb on 4-Sep-2007 7:31:30 (3913 reads)
Some photographs of the Minimig sponsored by Dennis van Weeren for Codex Alpe Adria are online at amigaforever.com.
    

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Does that mean if you buy AmigaForever that tiny little bundle of joy will be integrated part of the package that you will receive this as a package deal?

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What's the point of minimig? I am asking in a nice way, not nasty .

Don't get me wrong it's a SPLENDID achievement but isn't a bit like having an Amiga 500? Although on a very small scale.

Personally I can't wait for SAM in either red or blue colours, I don't care, we need NEW hardware able to run OS4, Linux, AROS, with modern features.

But I have to say the minimig is so cute!


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Sure, it won't form the basis of any next-gen platform, but that's not the point! It would be an amazing retro toy to have, and if Dennis could crank them out cheaply integrated into joysticks then I'm sure they'd sell like hot cakes And yep, it's definitely an achievement - does anyone know how much of the OCS was documented and how much had to be figured out manually?


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@alx

Dennis is not interested in the sales and support headaches. Minimig was all about the engineering challenge.

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does anyone know how much of the OCS was documented and how much had to be figured out manually?


Well the WinUAE source is available so I guess everything is "documented".
But if he has changed anything from that you'll probably have to ask Dennis about.


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Its the cutest Amiga I've ever seen, I'd buy one just for the reason. Makes the Mac-mini look huge!


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What's the point of minimig?


I guess the point is to make us happy.

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isn't a bit like having an Amiga 500? Although on a very small scale.


Exactly!

Quote:
we need NEW hardware able to run OS4, Linux, AROS, with modern features.


I'd be more than happy with Minimig. Cheap, small, runs all my favourite games.
Feel free to wait another 1-2 years for "modern features" such as SDL games and E-UAE for 4x the price of Minimig.

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What's the point of minimig? I am asking in a nice way, not nasty .


Well, I don't have any classic Amiga hardware any more, haven't for years. I don't want to buy decaying old hardware either. This is a fresh reimplementation, tiny, and is basically a 2MB A500, which is simply great. I'm sure that it'll be an A500+ soon enough too.

I am looking forward to plugging it into my TV and watching all the old demos again. All on a single SD card.

It isn't the cheapest thing ever, because it's not been cost-reduced into a joystick by a Chinese company yet. The FPGAs aren't that cheap. I'm sure that in a year a company will license a bunch of classic Amiga games and produce a joystick device from the Minimig sources (or the Jens implementation that's in the pipeline) - hopefully as hackable as the C64DTV was.

It's about the biggest hardware achievement in the past year or two in the Amiga market.

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What I'm curious about :

If presented with a program having RTG, will the minimig be able to do SVGA with24bit or 32bit color? And will I be able to run AmigaOS 3.9 on it?

I don't really care that it doesn't support AGA, just can it do better-than-AGA displays?


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>>What's the point of minimig?
>>I guess the point is to make us happy.

I would be much happier with SAM running OS4 personally.

>>isn't a bit like having an Amiga 500? Although on a very small scale.
>>Exactly!

So, although I find minimig a great achievement, I would rather have an A500, or an A1200, or, as I am doing now, running 85% of my games on a GP2X...brilliant!


>>we need NEW hardware able to run OS4, Linux, AROS, with modern features.
I'd be more than happy with Minimig. Cheap, small, runs all my favourite games.
Feel free to wait another 1-2 years for "modern features" such as SDL games and E-UAE for 4x the price of Minimig.

Well, as I said, get yourself a GP2X and not only you can run Amiga games, but Quake, Doom1&2, Sega, PS1, movies, photos, Atari, BBC, Spectrum, Acorn, C64 and many more all portable, on the bus, on holiday with a couple of rechargeable AA batteries. It's SAM all the way for me, we need to move on, otherwise we are stuck to emulation state.


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@Hattig

Read my post above, GP2X does all of that and more. 120 (GBP) and off you go, it does a lot more than a minimig, much more. I was watching Alien v Predator (the movie) on it and listening to some music. It takes up to 4GB SD Cards with current firmware and playing MAME games, Lotus Turbo Challenge, Impossible Mission (C64) on it is really amazing, 3.5" screen with 64k colours,...have a look on youtube and tell me you don't want one.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_FkzUcSsrkw

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ln6GF7Zxang

Just a few examples...

For playing Amiga games (and a plethora of other machines) this has been 120 well spent I think...

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Read my post above, GP2X does all of that and more. 120 (GBP) and off you go, it does a lot more than a minimig...


Well, regretfully, the speed of amiga emulation isn't 100%...

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>>Well, regretfully, the speed of amiga emulation isn't 100%...

UAE4ALL with Cyclone runs most games at about 20-45 fps, some GP2X overclock up to 300MHz, some up to 266MHz, more than enough to run Lotus 2, Shadow of the Beast, Turrican 1,2 and 3, B.C. Kid, Speedball 2, The Chaos Engine...but the great thing is you can carry all of this around with you...go on holiday and you can play Amiga games without having to pack the A500! 2 AA batteries, 3.5" screen! I am sounding like an advert :)

MAME is 60/60 fps
Sega is 60/60 fps
Neo-Geo 60/60 fps
Quake and Doom 1&2 run nicely

Quake2 is slow at the moment.

Great little thing...it's open source too.


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> MAME is 60/60 fps
> Sega is 60/60 fps
> Neo-Geo 60/60 fps
> Quake and Doom 1&2 run nicely
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>Quake2 is slow at the moment.


The GP2X is really nice... but I want amiga at 60/60 too...


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I think we will soon get a better optimised UAE, the guys are working hard and the improvements are pretty amazing. Until the introduction of cyclone to the code, Amiga emulation sucked a bit but let me tell you that now all games are pretty playable.

All the other emulators I have mentioned run at 60/60 fps and although Amiga is a hard machine to emulate we might soon reach those frames. I am not sure if they will ever introduce AGA emulation but I get that out of WinUAE, which is the best out there I believe.

Neo-Geo, if I remember correctly had a 68000 chip and it's emulated really well. On the bus, tube, on holiday, the idea of having a C64 or Amiga in your hands is irresistible!

I have two GP2X and they are great! There are some annoying things and they will soon (2 months) release the mark 3 (white, touchscreen 16m colours and d-pad) but I would have preferred a faster ARM cpu...never mind.


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>>> There are some annoying things and they will soon (2 months) release the mark 3 (white, touchscreen 16m colours and d-pad) but I would have preferred a faster ARM cpu...never mind.
>>>

I think the speed of amiga emulation can't be 100% with the GP2X cpu. It need a faster cpu...

When (if ?) a new, faster "GPXX" console will be released I think I will buy it...


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Someone is planning a faster one but I don't know the details, I think cpu is rated at 400MHz and that should be enough

But for now Superfrog on the go is excellent!

I might sell one of the 2 GP2X so anyone interested email me, or it's going to ebay soon


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Read my post above, GP2X does all of that and more.


No, it doesn't even do the most basic task properly, i.e. running Amiga games at 100% speed. I really don't give a sh*t about GP2X until it runs all Amiga games at full speed. At the moment it simply doesn't and no OC will change that. There is nothing worse than to have an amazing game like SOTB ruined by jumpy scrolling and choppy sound.

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I am sorry but SOTB runs very nicely on my two GP2X, maybe you need to update your emulator to the latest one, @250MHz it isn't choppy at all.

It's a great little device.


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