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News   News : MS security patch slows XP systems to a crawl
   posted by _Steve_ on 28-Apr-2003 21:15:58 (2652 reads)
Microsoft last week attached a health risk to one its own security patches, following widespread complaints that the fix slowed systems to a crawl.

The problematic patch, designed to fix a flaw in the way the kernel passes error messages to a debugger, was issued on April 16. The vuln affects Windows NT 4.0, NT 4.0 Server, Terminal Server Edition, Windows 2K and Windows XP) and is - potentially - very serious.


However the vuln is also difficult to exploit, hence Microsoft's designation the problem as "important" - and not critical.

XP users who followed Microsoft's initial advice and applied the patch were in for a nasty surprise.

Register reader Granville Gough writes: "If you are running WinXP and install this fix, your machine will be compromised. It will slow to a crawl, taking up to 30 seconds to open a spreadsheet, Word doc, run Meidaplayer and more."

In a warning, issued on Friday, (Apr 25) Microsoft says it has "investigated this issue and confirmed that there can be performance problems when the patch is applied to Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems.

"Microsoft is actively working on a revised patch for Windows XP Service Pack 1 and will re-issue that patch when it has been completed and fully tested."
    

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Re: MS security patch slows XP systems to a crawl
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Nice to see them making the OS even slower than it already was At this rate, we`ll need THz processors just to boot the system before teatime.


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I like the finality of the name "Terminal Server Edition"...

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Hi Steve
But what about the advantageousness of being able to go into town do your shopping,bite to eat ,go clubbing and still get back in time for your computer to boot


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And I thought my Amiga was slow at 26secs

On another note, my house mate (and house owner!) needed to shut the power down for an hour or so over the weekend, and as such everything needed turning off. He came in to my room and asked "How do I shut this Amiga thing off?" (after having done the 5 minute or so wait for my 2k machine to shut off).

He was horrified when I said just press the power button. infact he was so scared to do it I had to put down my sandwhich (which I was enjoying at the time!) and press the button myself. He couldn't belive that you could do that with a computer, just switch it off and everything will be fine! Ahh the good ol'days


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Hi jumship,

yeah I remember those days too *sigh*. oh well.

mind you, I bet I'm one of many who's leant over to hit the power switch and then seen the HD light fire up just before hitting it, but not having quick enough reactions to stop (damn these slow brain->nerve->muscle transmissions!). And here comes the Disk Not Validated thrash!

I'd like the power switch to be a soft button (I think it is in ATX PSUs???), and when you hit it the system shut's down in about a second, then boots (or should I say restores) to the same place at power on.

Maybe I'm just dreaming


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I'd like the power switch to be a soft button (I think it is in ATX PSUs???), and when you hit it the system shut's down in about a second, then boots (or should I say restores) to the same place at power on.


Yeah it is, kinda. The second function you described is usually a "restore from disk" state where the system is actually in a power saving mode (hybernation) and not powered off. I would hope that Hyperion puts in support for "proper" shutdown in OS4. Not that I mind the instant off, mind you, but to avoid the above mentioned invalidated disk.

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What terrible, terrible news!



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Anyway, don't they test these things before sending them out?

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WindowsXP already "crawls"

I'd hate to see what the patch would make it do.

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WindowsXP already "crawls"

I'd hate to see what the patch would make it do.


Funny you should say that as our XP does too, and I even checked to see if we had installed said patch, which we hadn't. It can take on occasion, more than 6 minutes to boot the damn thing, regularly taking ages on the XP Pro loading splash page. Short of another reinstall I have no idea what slows it nor how to speed it up - especially as it does boot normally now and then in the usual 2 mins or so

As for normal usage, it can be (read that as usually is) pretty unresponsive and slow at doing things - ie recognising clicks on things, opening files/windows etc.


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Ok, before I start my reply to these posts I think a well deserved laugh at Windows user's expense is well deserved:

Haa haaa ahahhaha hahah HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

There I can continue now :)

Firstly, I think it would be a bad idea to implement a shut down proecedure, in OS4 or any further edition of it. If you have a CLEAN OS then there should be no need whatsoever for this kind of tacky solution. The only reason Windows needs a shutdown procedure is that for all it's good points it has a REAL bad information management technique. It'll distribute temporary crap all over your HD while in use, and as such it requires a shut down procedeure to get rid of it before power off.

It should now be possible to shutdown your Amiga via software, and in that case a small routine could be run whereby it waits untill all disk activity is finished before shutting off. That's all you need I think. If you're using Virtual memory then a space for this should be allocated by the OS and be "out of bounds" for normal information. This would solve the need to get rid of this every time you want to power off.

As for the Windows crawling problem, well Microsoft have the monopoly don't they so they're not going to be too bothered about that. You'll still continue to use their products regardless. Me? I'll stick to fast, efficient, friendly AmigaOS thanks :)

Cheers guys

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Funny you should say that as our XP does too, and I even checked to see if we had installed said patch, which we hadn't. It can take on occasion, more than 6 minutes to boot the damn thing, regularly taking ages on the XP Pro loading splash page.


Hey, wasn't XP supposed to boot faster than win2k?

Aaah, I'll just stick to win2k. Best OS they ever released.

The new Playmobil interface of XP is not for me.


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Hey, wasn't XP supposed to boot faster than win2k?

Aaah, I'll just stick to win2k. Best OS they ever released.

The new Playmobil interface of XP is not for me.


You mean in the traditional MS way of telling you how great their new one is over the old one?

I mean if you believe that, Win ME was the "best" 9x kernal based they ever made, and not the pile of crap we had installed when we bought our first machine

The only things you can say for XP, is it shuts down faster than 2K ever did (and it has some nice icons hehe).


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Hey, wasn't XP supposed to boot faster than win2k?

Aaah, I'll just stick to win2k. Best OS they ever released.

The new Playmobil interface of XP is not for me.


You mean in the traditional MS way of telling you how great their new one is over the old one?

I mean if you believe that, Win ME was the "best" 9x kernal based they ever made, and not the pile of crap we had installed when we bought our first machine

The only things you can say for XP, is it shuts down faster than 2K ever did (and it has some nice icons hehe).


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Win 2k is horribly slow at shutting down here.

Come to think of it, it isn't too fast at startup either.


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That is one ugly avatar.

Hope that isn't you.

If it is, just forget what I said and forgive me.

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Heh, it's from a TV series called "Father Ted"

He is the drunk, alcoholic, abusive, bad sighted one


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Hi BrianHoskins,

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f you have a CLEAN OS then there should be no need whatsoever for this kind of tacky solution. The only reason Windows needs a shutdown procedure is that for all it's good points it has a REAL bad information management technique.


I agree. Ideally the state of the machine (OS and applications) would be cleverly stored on non-volatile storage, with some nice mechanism that is guaranteed to flush any un-saved memory to this in the time it takes for the power to drain away, although obviously the time's not so critical with a soft power button

I guess that's not realistically going to happen any time soon, so I'd be happy with a shutdown simply to facilitate having any applications shut down gracefully. who can say they've never accidentally powered off while still running an important app?

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I guess that's not realistically going to happen any time soon, so I'd be happy with a shutdown simply to facilitate having any applications shut down gracefully. who can say they've never accidentally powered off while still running an important app?


I am sure I remember reading that Thomas Frieden stated AOS4 could still be shut down by just turning off the power switch without the need for the (quite often under windows) lengthly shutdown procedure.


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