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Hardware News   Hardware News : Introducing Sam440ep-flex
   posted by Flystone on 27-May-2008 7:15:00 (6335 reads)
ACube Systems is happy to announce the new Sam440ep-flex board
    

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Ami603 
Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 13:46:08
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"he Sam440ep-flex board features the same technical specifications as the Sam440ep.."

I don't see the radeon GFX chip on this board? maybe it's on the opposite but i can't see the previous dvi connector the original SAM had.

EDIT: maybe having removed the gfx chip allows for a cheaper board now,we'll see once the prices are announced.

Last edited by Ami603 on 27-May-2008 at 01:47 PM.


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 14:47:32
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@DBAlex

If I could choose between any of these custom boards that offer poor performance (and poor features) and a mac mini with a 1.5Ghz G4... can you bet which one would I choose?


Well stop moanaing and get one then

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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
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@DBAlex

Shame the mini can't (legally) run OS4.0 yet, or I would get one.

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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 15:40:28
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@all

Now we want the news for OS4, Amiga. Inc. and Hyperion are you there?
We want OS4 for Sam!


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
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@Yssing

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It looks very clean :)
I would get one as soon as AOS4.0 is available for it

You can add me to that list, too!!


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 17:24:12
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It probably will cost less than original SAM and you'll can use a normal gfx card (with all video output you want)

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For some time, I have been considering replacing my A1GXE 800 mhz system with one of the new offerings (that is one of the new "promised" offerings from Acube or ACK). One of the biggest complaints I and others have had is the price to mhz ratio. I am not exactly willing to give up 800 mhz for 667 mhz. With that being said, SATA, DDR (which may be accessed faster than memory on my 800mhz system), Lattice FPGA (with which one may have classic chipset hardware emulation), USB 2.0, and other built in features are great. Maybe I'll get one when they come out with a "460" processor version of the motherboard.

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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 19:08:00
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A better PowerPC 4x0 (460EX etc)would be great for this board.

Last edited by AmigaPapst on 27-May-2008 at 07:09 PM.


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 19:29:40
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Barana said:
Way cool!! this sounds good - actually, doesn it sound like some of ackś designs?


ACK designs, LOL! Thats a good one!


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 19:31:21
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Quote:
Yssing said:
It looks very clean :)
I would get one as soon as AOS4.0 is available for it


Me too, though I am not holding my breath that that would ever happen.


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 19:44:07
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Very nice Board Acube. Should fit now in mostly any ATX Case without the problems of not fitting backplates. Still hope someday I can get a cool backplate for my Sam440EP board too. Course without OS4 it only takes dust from not beeing used ;)))
I wished the existing Operating Systems on the SAM which are allready running more or less would have cool music apps so I can start making music again.. but now only waiting for OS4 for the true Amiga sound again... some sign that something in that direction is done would be nice. Course you want to deliver something for the Amiga Community at first, and we want the hardware running OS4. You have the cool Hardware we like... but no real OS...
You got the power and motivation to make some pressure for the community to the right ppl, do it!

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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 27-May-2008 23:27:11
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Another nice motherboard for which AmigaInc tries to block OS4 delivery.

For those of you wanting a higher CPU clock, remember...

1) This is primarily designed for embedded systems. That means low power, low heat, passive cooling, few moving parts, low maintenance, etc.

2) The CPU is PPC. It is not a Vista victim and doesn't need Intel's Gazillion gigahertz to accomplish tasks.

3) OS4 and AmigaOne already run fast. This motherboard will not render a 200 Mhz performance reduction versus an AmigaOne because of the faster bus speeds on the SAM. It's also at a lower purchase price.

4) As long as AmigaInc blocks OS4, it either reduces or eliminates the incentive to create an upgradeable CPU module oriented more towards traditional desktop or server usage.

Makes me sad though because my interest with the motherboard is to see it with OS4. :(

Last edited by logicalheart on 28-May-2008 at 04:57 AM.


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
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@logicalheart

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1) This is primarily designed for embedded systems. That means low power, low heat, passive cooling, few moving parts, low maintenance, etc.


great. Why put PCI slots to that thing then. When a proper desktop motherboard will be released?

Quote:
2) The CPU is PPC. It is not a Vista victim and doesn't need Intel's Gazillion gigahertz to accomplish tasks.


Yeah, I guess blender magically will run faster than Core2Duo cpus because it will say "oh! it's a PPC, let's use the secret ultrafast Altivec version of the functions... but... oh wait! no Altivec here!)

Quote:
3) OS4 and AmigaOne already run fast. This motherboard will not render a 200 Mhz performance reduction versus an AmigaOne because of the faster bus speeds on the SAM. It's also at a lower purchase price.


Do you understand what "no L2 cache means"? Go to the BIOS of your PC, disable L2 cache and run whatever optimized OS and repeat me than it doesn't matter.

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4) As long as AmigaInc blocks OS4, it either reduces or eliminates the incentive to create an upgradeable CPU module oriented more towards traditional desktop or server usage.


I don't want to upgrade the cpu. I want a *fast cpu* soldered in the motherboard. When I buy a new PC the old motherboard goes to the trashcan together with the cpu and ram.

I don't want a server, I'm the single user of my computers.

There are >1Ghz SOC-like chips that have Altivec and L2 cache.


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Re: Introducing Sam440ep-flex
Posted on 28-May-2008 16:03:45
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Some positive points:
DDR DIMM 100 slot, max 512 MB (or in alternative 512 MB DDR soldered onboard).
USB 2.0 OHCI/EHCI NXP PCI controller.

Some negative points:
no PCI-Express or AGP.
Only 677 Mhz (Not an upgrade path for AmigaOne users)

Conclusion
if OS4 gets ported to it then:

* This will be nice a nice replacement for classic AmigaOS4 users that only have 166mhz to 233mhz range CPU’s, whit out DMA, as bonus they get USB2.0 and DDR2 what a nice upgrade.

* I think some MicroAOne users might be tempted to get more PCI slots.

* Nice replacement for not so fast AmigaONE-SE you know one whit all unfixable bugs.

But for me whit an AmigaOne-XE that has IRQ signals rewired and USB pull down resistors mounted, I already have lots of PCI slots and even a AGP2 slot, and a fast 1 Ghz G4 whit Altivec, it looks more like downgrade then a upgrade for me at least.


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@Crumb
I guess that logicalheart was trying to say what that Visa was slow OS, which makes the computer less unable despite it having a faster CPU.

And I agree whit logicalheart that Mhz / Ghz printed on CPU is not that important ,
what I think is important thing is what you can use this computer for:

* Sam440 will have no problem playing movies.
* it will have no problems playing mp3 / ogg and other common audio format.
* it will be fast at booting and general disk activity.
* it will have fast transferee speed over USB2.


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@NutsAboutAmiga

Well, if there really are thousands of people who want to buy any hardware at all for OS4, then this would of course be an option (it's some hardware, after all). I don't think the first and foremost idea is to sell to those who already bought something else

Anyway, we all know Amiga Inc is going to bury OS4 forever, so why are we discussing theoretical OS4 hardware?


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@ lavo

Quote:

lavo wrote:

Nice A shame there is plenty of good hardware out there with no Amiga OS to run it on. Looks like a good replacement for the A1 (other than CPU speed).


What are you talking about?

AROS runs already on SAM 440EP... Didn't you see the news in the main page, just a place below these news one?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4370


Check it here. A prerelease Live AROS CD for SAM440 is already downloadable:

http://msaros.blogspot.com/2008/05/try-it-yourself.html

http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~mis/aros-sam440-ppc.iso.7z

Mind the fact that adapt AROS from SAM440EP to SAM440 Flex it is a matter of just a little work...

Screenshots of Aros running on SAM440EP here:

http://www.multimediagfx.it/nks/images.asp?cat=49



Images are a bit small, but author promised he will replace it with bigger ones...


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Hehe..

Where on Earth will you find 100-pin SO-DIMMs?..

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err... PC World...


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Congratulations to ACube Systems for announcing yet another hardware solution.

Unfortunately, I am not interested in running a PPC Linux system.

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