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Hardware News   Hardware News : Individual Computers: new product Indivision AGA
   posted by Wiesel on 25-Jul-2008 22:23:15 (5892 reads)
During the 80s, it was common use to build computers in a way that they can output their picture on a TV set. This was done in order to reduce the overall system cost for the user. TV sets work with lower frequencies compared to today's monitors, therefore the picture flickers. A flickerfixer converts the signal in a way that a modern VGA monitor or TFT-display can be used. The name flickerfixer was mainly created because the problem of a flickering picture is solved. We've already had a very successful product called Indivision in 2002. It was connected to the monitor output of the computer, but it has been sold out in 2006.

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Flickerfixers are in high demand. One unit of our external flickerfixer Indivision has been sold on an internet auction platform for more than 900 US Dollars in march of this year. That's more than four times the last retail price! The popularity and stability of value of our products cannot be proved any better. We have already started development of a new flickerfixer in November 2007, which is finished now.

The first flickerfixers for the Amiga have already been available 17 years ago. Since that time, all flickerfixers - including ours - have been using the same principle: The picture frequency was doubled. This is not enough for most modern VGA monitors and TFT-displays, as the picture of a computer with PAL standard was only displayed at slightly less than 50Hz. Most monitors require 60Hz or more these days.

With Indivision AGA, we're striking a new path. As the name suggests, it's a flickerfixer that is very closely tied to the AGA chipset. This could only be realized by putting the flickerfixer inside of the computer. The product is mounted over the Video-Chip "Lisa". The VGA display is connected directly to the flickerfixer. Further connections are not necessary.

Listing all features of the flickerfixer would go beyond the scope of this news item. You can find the complete technical data in this PDF-overview. The outstanding features are:

* 24 Bit colour resolution in all screenmodes
* support for super hires modes
* Highgfx support up to 1024x768 pixels
* all screenmodes can be displayed at 60Hz or more
* no adjustments necessary

Two options have been added for retro-gaming enthusiasts that allow a step-by-step approximation to the display of an old TV set: Vertical synchronization allows reducing the output frequency down to 49.9Hz, which will eliminate tearing-effects. In addition to that, a scanline-emulation can be switched on. This will emulate the dark lines between the scan lines of a TV screen.

Development and production of this extremely complex product is very expensive. Our trade partners, who have been serving the Amiga-market for many years, have made considerable financial contributions to the production. To account for that, Indivision AGA is exclusively available only from these resellers until January 1st, 2009: (alphabetical order)

* AmigaKit (England)
* GGS-Data (Sweden)
* Software Hut (USA)
* Vesalia (Germany)

Production has already started, the flickerfixer will presumably be shipped to our trade partners during the first week of September. The suggested retail price is 129,- EUR including 19% VAT. Only a version for A1200 computers will be available at first. We're already working on a version for other Amigas with AGA chipset.

The following pictures show the prototype and screenshots where colours are not displayed correctly. The actual product may vary.

    

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Re: Individual Computers: new product Indivision AGA
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Indivision product link is here:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=821


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Not this sounds GREAT! I have an A1200 that could use this so consider me a customer

Great work!


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This is a fake. There's no way Jens designed this, there's no clockport!

Nice bit of kit - just what the classic Amiga needs. Well done.


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Looks great! Too bad I don't own any A1200's. I have several A4000's that I would buy this for, however....bring it on for A4000 and A4000T :)

Oh, I should mention...keep in mind many of us have Mediators so some kind of pass-thru for a single monitor connection would be very nice.

For me most of the "pain in the ass" of not having a flicker fixer/scan doubler is not being able to see the early startup.

Last edited by HammerD on 26-Jul-2008 at 02:20 AM.
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I see it supports genlocks but will/does the A4000 version work with the video toaster.

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@HammerD
I am also interested in an A4000 version.
My concern is if it will physically fit in an A4000 that uses the Mediator.

As you mention, a pass-through or switching for a VGA signal from a PCI card would be nice, but I would want one regardless.


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@ AmigaKit / Jens

Would it also fit inside the CD32 ?
Don't suppose you could try and report back

If not when you make a version for the A4000 would it be possible to make it so it fits in the CD32 too ?

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It does not fit in any other computer than the A1200. On the 4000D, the Zorro daughtercard is in the way, on the CD32, it would stick out the case, and it supposedly does not fit in an A4000T either (I don't own one).

The LISA-Socket will have to be rotated and the shape of the PCB adapted to those computers. My main target will be the 4000D, then make sure it'll also fit the 4000T (should be easily possible), and then I can only pray that the CD32 won't need a special version on it's own.

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Great!!

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Nice work Jens! This is something A1200 users have been after for too long!


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Looks good, although I can't afford one at present.

I think that it's kind of funny that the flicker-fixer has 8x the memory of the AGA chipset. I wonder if it could be reprogrammed to offer 16-bit chunky graphics, etc...

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Does it work with the Video Toaster 4000?


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Hi Jens, sounds great (about A4000). If possible it should fit around the Mediator bus board...as many of us A4000(T) users have those installed...

And don't forget the pass-thru :)

Danke

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Cool, can the A4000 version do my laundry too?


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good finally i can replace my 15-31hz flicker switcher... there is nearly no monitor that support it anymore.. 60hz is the lowest standard today.......

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Slightly off-topic but still related to screenmodes...I was playing around with OS4 amiga screenmodes and with the overscan prefs...I had the "VGA" monitor activated and was using the "multiscan" screenmode which works okay with my monitor in OS4 workbench...but when I go to overscan in OS4 and i pick "multiscan" to adjust, it is out of range on my monitor and so I got a blank screen. Then after rebooting, still in OS4, I went to my old OS3.9 overscan prefs, it works! No blank screen...

So OS4 overscan prefs for "multiscan" is using some freq. lower (pre-VGA setting) versus the actual one set in screenmode prefs is high cause it is using post-VGA monitor setting ?

Also noticed that in OS4 "Productivity Double" seems to be actually half in the vertical resolution versus the regular "Productivity" mode. "Double" shows 640x240 versus 640x480 for regular. Horz/vert. freq. are the same...is this a bug?

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This is fantastic news, and I intend to purchase one! As has already been posted, a passthrough for RTG cards would be nice and personally I'd be willing to pay that extra bit for it.

Also, will this fit in with my ELBOX FastATA 1200 MKIII?

keep up the great development!

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I have questions 3...

1: Will this fit in a non-towered 1200?

2: WIll it fall off like an A600 accelerator use to do?

3: Does it use the same Monitor output as usual, or a new standard VGA port on that blank cut out bit at the back?


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Quote:
1: Will this fit in a non-towered 1200?


Yes, like all other internal versions.

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2: WIll it fall off like an A600 accelerator use to do?


Normally not or do you use your Amiga as football or something?

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3: Does it use the same Monitor output as usual, or a new standard VGA port on that blank cut out bit at the back?


It has a standard VGA connector.


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It's a pity that they could not design one that works with most computers (rather than one albeit popular model of Amiga). Does it really need access to the video chip to manage more than just doubling the refresh rate? e.g. Wouldn't it be possible to have a "scan tripler" that just plugged into a video output?


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