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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 17:38:07
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| Here's and idea; how about you stick with one platform (x86) and improve on that before moving on to other systems.  _________________ Rev 1D3 Amiga 1200, Apollo 1240 (40Mhz '040, 64MB RAM), Indivision MKII, Fast ATA MK V, Rapid Road USB, PCMCIA WIFI & OS 3.14
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 18:02:54
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| Yeah, really hate those guys doing with their spare time whatever they want instead of what we want them to.  |
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 19:01:37
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| This is a little bit kind of offtopic:
What about a Kickstart-ROM-Replacement for the SAM-Series? (All Kickimage-Stuff in a real rom instead of booting from Kickstart-Dir)? _________________ I´m back in 2023 on Classic Amiga with my A1200/Blizzard1230IB@50Mhz, 32MB RAM, AmigaOS3.2 and ROMs, Indivision AGA MK3, Author of Amiga-Flipclock (OS4)
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 20:02:29
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 20:06:34
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 20:20:06
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| Jason still has some 78kb space left ;)
---------- ROM Layout -------------------
400K Text, 34K Data, 78K Unused
(You can ignore the .sysbase, .stack, and .bss placeholders, they take up no ROM space, they're just there for linking)
~/private/AROS $ m68k-elf-objdump -h bin/amiga-m68k/AROS/aros-amiga-m68k.elf
bin/amiga-m68k/AROS/aros-amiga-m68k.elf: file format elf32-m68k
Sections: Idx Name Size VMA LMA File off Algn 0 .sysbase 00000008 00000000 00000000 00002000 2**0 ALLOC 1 .stack 0000fff8 00000008 00000008 00002000 2**0 ALLOC 2 .bss 000013d0 00010000 00010000 00002000 2**4 ALLOC 3 .text 0006363a 00f80000 00f80000 00002000 2**3 CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, READONLY, CODE 4 .rodata 00008b80 00fe363a 00fe363a 0006563a 2**1 CONTENTS, ALLOC, LOAD, READONLY, DATA
---------- From my UAE session ---------- (NOTE: This is a stock Amiga 1200 (2M) simulation, the output below the '=======' is from the UAE simulated serial port)
Building CPU function table, 45674 opcodes (2 0 0). Resetting frame rate hack Using 24 bit visual, 32 bits per pixel Using MIT-SHM extension. reset at 0 PAL mode, 50Hz (h=227 v=312) chipmem cleared SERIAL: period=368, baud=9600, hsyncs=16 PC=f80d2e ==================================================== [reset] [bss clear] gdb stub[prep SysBase] peb SysBase: 0004040e PrepareExecBase [ret]: 0004040e [init SysBase] RomTagScanner: Start = 00f80000, End = 01000000 Resident modules (18) (addr: pri version name) at 0x40870: + 0x00feae1e: 127 3 "kernel.resource" + 0x00fe3ade: 105 41 "exec.library" + 0x00fe8822: 103 41 "utility.library" + 0x00fe6006: 102 41 "aros.library" + 0x00feb08e: 99 2 "processor.resource" + 0x00feabde: 92 1 "hiddclass.hidd" + 0x00fe72ba: 65 41 "graphics.library" + 0x00fe9c0a: 50 41 "timer.device" + 0x00fead6e: 45 41 "battclock.resource" + 0x00fe9f12: 44 41 "keyboard.device" + 0x00fe95fe: 40 41 "keymap.library" + 0x00fe9d3e: 30 41 "input.device" + 0x00fe89de: 15 50 "intuition.library" + 0x00fea062: 4 41 "console.device" + 0x00fe611e: -120 41 "dos.library" + 0x00fe675a: -123 41 "LDDemon" + 0x00fea4ee: -124 41 "con.handler" + 0x00feaabe: -125 41 "nil.handler" [start] InitCode(RTF_SINGLETASK, 0) [start] InitCode(RTF_COLDSTART, 0) [libcall Exec Init] [exec] GO GO GO! _________________ https://www.axrt.org
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 20:26:37
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| @.Wizzard_o: Aros isn't about a specific cpu line, and despite what you may think or imply this work is pretty much relevant even to x86 architecture... _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 21:36:19
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| Can you run the same program on an x86 base on a 68K or the PPC version? It just seems a bit of a waste having to create three separate versions of a program to run on all flavours.
Will the 68K version be able to run native Amiga OS apps better than 3.9? Am I missing the point here? (if there is one?)  _________________ Rev 1D3 Amiga 1200, Apollo 1240 (40Mhz '040, 64MB RAM), Indivision MKII, Fast ATA MK V, Rapid Road USB, PCMCIA WIFI & OS 3.14
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 22:15:37
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| @wizzard_o
While binary compatibility is the ultmate goal of AROS68k, is more possible that old amiga apps that does not use the original chipset and new aros 68k apps might run on ppc and x86 on top of Emumiga once this one will be finished; for the more chipset-oriented apps there is J-UAE;
Furthermore the development of AROS on 68k might allow to have: 1) a more updated system on top of original amiga hardware; 1b) improvements on AROS x86 will be backported when possible on 68k; 1c) J-UAE itself will no more require an Amiga rom and Amiga OS to run; 2) no need for Amiga ROMs and OS for projects like natami,minimig and other that might use amiga architecture and software as base (even the toaster FPGA) : those will be able to use AROS as base instead and guarantee amiga software compatibility when needed; 2b)custom kickstart building using AROS for amiga machines without breaking law;
That is what comes to mind but i know there are more;
Saimon69 Last edited by saimon69 on 14-Oct-2010 at 10:22 PM. Last edited by saimon69 on 14-Oct-2010 at 10:20 PM. Last edited by saimon69 on 14-Oct-2010 at 10:16 PM.
_________________ Scarabocchi Binari - Italian AROS Blog Binary Doodles - English language AROS Blog
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 14-Oct-2010 23:13:03
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| The point is having AROS 68k running on par with X86 running on UAE replacing the need for (a non available/ non legal) AmigaOS. _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 15-Oct-2010 9:04:21
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 15-Oct-2010 9:36:36
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That may make a few people nervous. Freedom can be a nightmare to some. _________________ Dammy
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 15-Oct-2010 15:12:53
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| @Wizzard_o : you are really missing the point, im sorry. @all: this is really one of most promissing news items in years! Last edited by wawa on 15-Oct-2010 at 03:13 PM.
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 15-Oct-2010 22:59:38
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| What point is that? that I might be able to install an Amiga-like OS on my Amiga1200 and that wont be able to run any of my software?  _________________ Rev 1D3 Amiga 1200, Apollo 1240 (40Mhz '040, 64MB RAM), Indivision MKII, Fast ATA MK V, Rapid Road USB, PCMCIA WIFI & OS 3.14
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 15-Oct-2010 23:48:33
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 16-Oct-2010 10:52:38
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Re: Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned Posted on 20-Oct-2010 16:20:50
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Will the 68K version be able to run native Amiga OS apps better than 3.9? Am I missing the point here? (if there is one?) |
Would rather compare to OS3.1 which is better in my opinion than 3.9 anyway and loads of apps crashed on 3.9 that worked on 3.1. You cannot run every Amiga app on 3.1 or 3.9 so what does it matter. Same as with OS4.
This project is another step closer to Aros being suitable for more people than it is already. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus  http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/
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