But you'll probably need a mortgage to be able to afford one.....

Apple should realise that Intel has abdicated**/MIA the X86 throne due to a lack of X86 64bit successor. Why just against Intel?s Xeon? What about AMD?s Athlon 64/Opteron based workstations?
Why Apple has avoided in comparing AMD Athlon series with their product?

Let?s make the comparisons consistent i.e. next generation product vs next generation product.
Anyway, the X86's current generation products can still compete against Apple's next generation products.

** The next Prescott core (a.k.a Pentium 5) remains as an enigma...

Apple's Intel Xeon numbers seems to in conflict with some Dell branded Xeon boxes.

CINT2000 Rates
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Dell Precision WorkStation 650 (3.06 GHz Xeon)
# CPU: 2 Intel Xeon (533 MHz system) 3066
Result: 22.5
Baseline: 21.7
Comments: Current generation
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Advanced Micro Devices/MSI K7D Master
Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) MP 2600+
# CPU: 2 AMD Athlon(TM) AMSN2600D 2133
Results: 15.7
Baseline: 15.3
Comments: Current generation, but where's the Athlon 2800+ MP results?

Refer to http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/5167-1.htm
for Athlon 2800+ MP's availability.
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Advanced Micro Devices A4800
# CPU: 2 AMD Opteron 244, 1.8 GHz 1800

Result: 26.8
Baseline: 25.0
Comments: Current generation.
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Intel Corporation Intel D850EMVR motherboard (3.06 GHz, Pentium 4 processor with HT Technology)
# CPU: 1 Intel Pentium 4 Processor 3067
Results: 14.1
Baseline: 13.8
Comments: Not bad for a single processor mode. Single CPU performance will be increased with the employment of 800Mhz QDR FSB i865 (with PAT)chipsets and the release of Pentium 4 @3200** Mhz.
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I don?t think, Apple has achieved the ?shredding the PC?s reputation in the process?. Not while X86 world gathers their own next generation products for the next battle.

Just putting things into perspective.

FPU results later....

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The apple website quotes $2,000 - $3,000. Ouch.

However it has been stated that the 970 can run 32-bit code without problems...

You know what that could mean...

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@Hammer

Out of curiosity, are AMD's 64bit cpus being used in normal desktops?

Apple are just playing the bench marks their way, as they always do. If you can't win the Mhz war you have to bring out the PR department.

What I have an issue is is how freaking ugly it looks.
I never believed anyone could make an aluminium computer so ugly.

@Bodie

Yes, their currect 32 bit cpu's will be phased out as their top desktop cpu's later this year.

/Björn

Bodie, the word is that AMD's 64-bit processors will be out in August. Then there's the question of have many they can manufacture and at what price.

Hammer, I wouldn't read too much into these benchmarks. It won't be a few months before more unbiased performance comparisons are made. But does it really matter? I mean, it sounds like you're into the x86 platform so unless you plan to run MacOS then these new PowerMacs are not for you. I'm sure there's heaps of Mac users that have been waiting a long time for a decent hardware upgrade.

I wonder how those who spent a fair amount of cash to purchase an A1 and are still waiting for OS4.O feel.

@Mangelore and Orgin

Thanks for the answers.

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What about AMD?s Athlon 64/Opteron based workstations? Why Apple has avoided in comparing AMD Athlon series with their product?

Because Opteron is aimed at a different market and Athlon64/ClawHammer does not exist yet as a product.

Apple's latest movement is quite an aggressive one. Contrary to FUDs Apple is not loosing ground to x86, in fact its latest products would steal a % of low end servers and high end desktops. Not the it should really matter.


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The next Prescott core (a.k.a Pentium 5) remains as an enigma...

Intel is muddled between Itanium, which will/can not penetrate home desktops and Pentium which can not move to a new generation. We should expect just more GHz, FUD, hype and overmarketing from Intel.
A few months after (if at all) Prescot hits the market G6 will come out.

Running and believing benchmarks is what x86 can do well... The bottomline is that new PowerMacs are fine products and PPC is not in jeopardy as we will be let to believe.

It must be said that Intel really have stuffed up their future business with Itanium. I have a feeling the next 3-4 years wil be very bad for intel unless they ditch Itanium and design something else.

CnlPepper - AMD/IBM competing Intel the small boy...

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I wonder how those who spent a fair amount of cash to purchase an A1 and are still waiting for OS4.O feel.

Well I got an A1G4 and the thought of even better hardware on the horizon makes my mouth water. There will always be better hardware, the moment you buy a computer then something else comes along that is more powerful. However, this doesn't really bother me.

I want something as a starting point to run OS4.0 when it comes out. At the moment I'm enjoying using Linux on the A1. I'm sure OS4.0 will run quite nicely on a G4, according to the reports even the classic 604 PPC boards are running well (and thats without the JIT emulation).

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@Bodie

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Out of curiosity, are AMD's 64bit cpus being used in normal desktops?

AMD?s Opteron directly competes with Intel?s Pentium 4 Xeon, while Athlon 64 competes with non-Xeon Pentium 4. In lesser extent, Opteron also competes with Intel?s IA-64.

Opteron directly replaces Athlon MP product lines, while Athlon 64 replaces the Athlon XP product lines. Pentium 4 Xeon is available for workstations and servers. Athlon MP is also available as a workstation and server solution.

Athlon XP(K7)/MP's EV6 architecture is now at their end e.g. EV6?s 400Mhz DDR FSB design limits has been reached. Like the Super7 architecture (with the K6), AMD _must_ move towards another architecture.

In the long term (i.e. by the end August), EV6?s 400Mhz DDR FSB design cannot effectively compete with Intel?s own 800Mhz QDR i875 based chipsets. AMD will run out of IPC and Mhz headroom with their K7 generation.

It is not the interest of AMD/X86 world to restrict themselves within a particular market. This is evident from nVidia?nForce 3 Pro and VIA?s incoming dual K8 boards.

In summary, K8 (i.e. Opteron and Athlon 64) replaces the K7 (i.e. Athlon MP and Athlon XP). Just like when the K7 replaces the K6.

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Hammer, I wouldn't read too much into these benchmarks.

Note that AMD also uses SPEC in their website.

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It won't be a few months before more unbiased performance comparisons are made.

Are you claiming SPEC?s benchmarks are fakes?
As the saying goes, ?What goes around comes around?.
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But does it really matter? I mean, it sounds like you're into the x86 platform so unless you plan to run MacOS then these new PowerMacs are not for you.

Irrelevant to the issue in regards to personality.
Don?t you keep track the available and future solutions?

It?s pointless to compare a current Pentium 4 system with the future PPC 970 systems, while we all know that both AMD and Intel will have their future products in the market at that time.

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I'm sure there's heaps of Mac users that have been waiting a long time for a decent hardware upgrade.

It?s good for the MacOS users who will have a reasonable upgrade path, but that's not the issue. A marketing tactic like Apple?s will ultimately backfire on them.

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Because Opteron is aimed at a different market

Did you miss nVidia's nForce III Pro Opteron chipset?

Note that, the Opteron (K8 with multi-processor capability) directly replaces the Athlon MP (K7 with multi-processor capability).

64bit within K8 processors is just like the transition from 286(16bit era) to 386 (32bit era). There?s nothing new under the sun.

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and Athlon64/ClawHammer does not exist yet as a product.

They exist as an engineering samples.

To continue the saga/story/show/soap opera/popcorn?

Refer to
http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1296

http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1296&page=2

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

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I never believed anyone could make an aluminium computer so ugly

I kinda liked it - it has a look of grim purpose as opposed to the iLamp (which I also like but for different reasons). Each to their own, I guess.

I like the seperate compartments for cooling - one of the benefits of always knowing exactly how your mobo is going to be layed out. Kinda scary that what they've actually designed is a three teir wind tunnel for your desktop though....

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