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Good news, I hope.

It was cool in the beginning. Now i mostly disable it for most apps.

About the news i felt like itix :')

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Whats the chances of this impossible to close manually window or force kill manually window opening to give notification of system corruption, which the notification then causes a busy loop, race condition or other self resolving failiure mode to occur? If you throw a million code faults at it, how many lead to resolvable behaviour, how many to lock ups?

When the system locks up, due to radiation bit flips, are my files safe when I reach for the manual power switch, which has to be classed along with unexpected power variations in supply and enviroment?

Sorry, I just hate having popup notifications appearing in front of teh screen while Im typing, because I have to watch the keyboard, as an example, and other automated behaviours such as bulk file transfers and batch processing, stealing the focus of control and input, or at least response, leading to all sorts of horrible side effects.

How many of you have had a notification pop up while typing, and it stealing focus, or not popping to front, and leaving awhole slew of keyboard commands in teh buffer that the system then executes abnormally when you finally realise whats occuring?

Such an integrated system is very worthy, but Please do your best to make it useable for the user, not because it looks pretty, or, because everyone else is doing it.

I dont see amiga style cooperative multiprocessing as such on other systems, they always are fighting for demand and control of the resources.

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@RodTerl 

I know what you mean when keyboard control is taken from YAM halfway through a sentence. Usually from sometihng on my Workbench. But with Ringhio it doesn't steal input as that's the idea. A message appears overlayed on the Workbench. I've seen multiple messages appear with the USB printer bug when opening for example MTB and alongside it requesters I do need to satisfy. Very annoying! As to how the system will act in loop of sorts; first it won't tell it is corrupted unless you program that in; and second there is no message window, just notification overlays. There would be no point reiventing requesters, And there is a limit as to how many can be stacked on screen before they fade away. But if the system locks up with an enslaught of messages coming your way it was gone annyway.

i wonder what this goodie will cost..

however people will probably buy it anyway, if only to support development ;P

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@RodTerl
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Whats the chances of this impossible to close manually window or force kill manually window opening to give notification of system corruption, which the notification then causes a busy loop, race condition or other self resolving failiure mode to occur? If you throw a million code faults at it, how many lead to resolvable behaviour, how many to lock ups?

Ringhio notifications do not open in front of the screen rather in one of the corners chosen by the user, they don;t take the focus, so no need to close, them. They are most useful for a visual clue as to in coming emails etc Or the completion of longer compile job or somesuch. Some what less useful for displaying the name of a song you are listening too or similar.

You can kill them manually if you like, they have close gadget that appears if you mouse over them, mousing over them also stops them closing so that you can read the notification if you want.

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You can kill them manually if you like, they have close gadget that appears if you mouse over them

Of course, if you really don't want them, ever, you can also disable the RinghioServer from starting at all in WBStartup prefs. Just remove the checkmark.

But don't complain if you missed some important info.

Best regards,

Niels

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The short-lived pop-up notification window is displayed on the Workbench

This is wrong, or at least not entirely right.

The short-lived pop-up notification opens on the FRONT-MOST Public screen. (Workbench is a Public screen, but MUI makes it easy to give programs their own public screen, and OS4 will automatically open/close those screens as required. I personally give each major type of app (e.g. web browser, email) it's own public screen, and thus see Ringhio notifications on the public screen I'm using.)

(end of pedantic mode)

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A-EON Technology has commissioned Max to create a new AmigaOS 4.1 version to add new capabilities and features.

I'm a bit saddened/puzzled why the most important part of the news announcement (quoted above) is hidden near the bottom of the (IMHO far too long) announcement, and not even shown in bold.

Anyway, I find it hard to imagine what features could be added to Ringhio that would make it worth buying again (on-top of what comes built-in to AmigaOS4.1) . It's already pretty "feature complete", and has far more features than I'll ever need when writing my own programs which use it.

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Neat news, always great to see new developments on Amiga software.

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@ ChrisH

You mean that they're gonna charge newer versions of Ringhio System from now on?

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@Phantom
While the announcement does not specifically so say, I thought that was a very likely conclusions, particularly when it says:
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the right to use the Ringhio name in all product marketing, promotion and branding

And when they're spending money, I'd assume they want some kind of return on it:
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we are pleased to announce that we have purchased the exclusive rights to the Ringhio messaging system

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A-EON Technology has commissioned Max

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I'm not sure i'm getting this newsitem right... I mean, wtf?

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Well, I hope that CLI will be remain free.

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An unexpected bonus

But I guess you'll still be charging for the (never-before-available) AmigaOS3.x release?

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@AmigaKit

That is good news that you continue to support the Amiga 3.x, but it would be really nice to have online the complete AmigaOS up to 3.1 at least users and developer documentation quite like wiki.amigaos.net with a quote like this "This is the AmigaOS Documentation Wiki. Here we collect all information for users and developers of AmigaOS version 1.0 up to 3.1." don't you think?

I know that there is the Amiga Developer CD 2.1 and second hands RKM but having them online is nice too for those having internet on their Amiga or for developer doing cross platform development.
Kamelito

PS if you plan to support OCS/ECS/AGA notification use sprite to display them it will cost you nearly Nothing :)

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PS if you plan to support OCS/ECS/AGA notification use sprite to display them

A standard four colour sprite should suffice, even if a few need to be stacked across. Then the text would have to be rendered as sprite data. But it would still need to take up a palette entry or few as well. For the text and for fancy fading. Also, if a few notes begin to stack up on screen they are limited by available sprites.