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Events   Events : AmiWest 2003 Report by Joanne Calhoun
   posted by MikeB on 11-Aug-2003 14:23:59 (5088 reads)
The latest Amiga Update newsletter includes a short AmiWest 2003 show report written by Joanne Calhoun.
    

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Re: AmiWest 2003 Report by Joanne Calhoun
Posted on 11-Aug-2003 18:53:40
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No offense to anyone intended, but this is not a "show report", it's more like a "list of who attended".

My idea of a reports is:

"Mr x showed up, discussed y and made the following z points/disclosed the following x information:"

Simply telling us that Mr X and Ms Y showed up and leaving it at that is as much use as udders on a bull.

I know someone is going to call me a whinging twat and tell me to STFU, but come on! If you want to post news then make sure the item actually contains some news.

edit: I know the person involved with this report along with her husband actually did some constructive stuff at the even with reagrds to recording the proceedings. I guess I'm just miffed that nobody seems to have written a decent account of AmiWest detailing the finer points of what was brought up by the various guest speakers.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned by expecting to find a detail text report as opposed to spending ages downloaded MP3, MPEG or AVI files. The written word is dead... welcome to the video age...


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The stab at MorphOs ppl was pathetic, unnecessary and quite hilarious at the same time.

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We simply
cannot understand what the MorphOS/Pegasos team was doing there.


Well Mr Webb, open your eyes and maybe you will notice that probably ALL MorphOS users are in fact Amiga users. People who have supported the same computer for a decade or more, buying hardware, software,... and trying to build a platform in the spirit of Amiga. If they are not welcome, then who are? AmigaInc who didn't even bother to show up, with a product that has nothing to do with Amiga (TaoDE)?

So the same people to whom you have talked to last year as Amiga users, are not welcome anymore as morphos users?

Nothing more to add, i guess... And by the way, i'm not a morphos myself (yet)


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So the same people to whom you have talked to last year as Amiga users, are not welcome anymore as morphos users?


I'm pretty sure Brad mentioned his views with regard to the company and not MOS users.

@ Joanne

Thanks for the effort.

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I'm pretty sure Brad mentioned his views with regard to the company and not MOS users


yeah, sure...

At least the company was there.


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Who is gonna be working full time for Bill Buck?

Why am I not surprised?

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Well, I don't think anyone is offended Darrin... We all have our own expectations. You are right, in a way, that it was more of an "attendees list", but did go into some of what happened in the "between times". Kinda interesting to read, as it gives you an idea of the mood of the show. Sounds like everyone from all "sides" had a good time, and that's what's important. I watched and listened to the UGN broadcast both days, and from what I heard, it did sound like a fun show. I wish we had an AmiEast over here on the East coast.

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@ Herewegoagain:

I'm probably just jealous because I couldn't make it to the show


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Well Mr Webb, open your eyes and maybe you will notice that probably ALL MorphOS users are in fact Amiga users.


Incorrect. I know several MorphOS/Pegasos users that sold their old Amiga or put it away in a closet somewhere to collect dust until the next time they get sentimental, just like I know several PC/Windows users that did the same. I would refer to that as former Amiga users unless they indeed are still actively using their old Amiga computers.

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People who have supported the same computer for a decade or more, buying hardware, software,...


Who have, as in used to, as in not anymore.

Tell me, how many of those MorphOS users do you think would keep supporting an Amiga application even if a MorphOS native alternative would become available? I'm sorry but saying that MorphOS users are supporting the Amiga software market is rather short sighted. The only reason for a MorphOS user to ever buy an Amiga game or application would only be because there is no MorphOS native alternative. I mean, either they get a new MorphOS native version or they don't have a need for getting a new version to begin with.

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and trying to build a platform in the spirit of Amiga.


A new platform with both different hardware as well as OS with nothing in common with the original Amiga besides backwards compatibility for making the transition from the classic Amiga to their new platform a bit smoother. And no, I don't think cloning is in the spirit of Amiga at all. For me, the spirit of Amiga is about beeing original.


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@Samface:

I'm not going to discuss this with you, reading some of your comments in ANN. It is rather pointless.

According to you, if microsoft would buy Amiga and rename Windows to Workbench, then it would be an Amiga, because they have the name.

I stand by what i have said. Most morphOS users are amiga users.

You just lost one thing out of sight. There is nothing to support on the "AmigaInc" side of things because there is NOTHING.


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I'm not going to discuss this with you, reading some of your comments in ANN. It is rather pointless.


Yet you state more arguments.

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According to you, if microsoft would buy Amiga and rename Windows to Workbench, then it would be an Amiga, because they have the name.


I wouldn't like it, but yes, their products would be official Amiga products. Since I wouldn't like the product the name would be associtated with, I would distance myself from the Amiga name. This is no different from when I distanced myself from the Commodore labeled PC's a few years back.

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I stand by what i have said. Most morphOS users are amiga users.


What's wrong with beeing a MorphOS user if MorphOS is what you prefer and use everyday? Why deny the real brand identity of your prefered product?

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You just lost one thing out of sight. There is nothing to support on the "AmigaInc" side of things because there is NOTHING.


I disagree. The AmigaOne hardware is in stores right now and the OS4 on Tour campaign proved AmigaOS4's existence as well as made it unquestionable that OS4 is going to ship, regardless of what certain parties wants you to believe.


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I wouldn't like it, but yes, their products would be official Amiga products


That says enough to me.

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The AmigaOne hardware is in stores right now and the OS4 on Tour campaign proved AmigaOS4's existence as well as made it unquestionable that OS4 is going to ship, regardless of what certain parties wants you to believe


Is their product to buy? Yes or no? (apart from Linux hardware)


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Samface the red said:
"
What's wrong with beeing a MorphOS user if MorphOS is what you prefer and use everyday? Why deny the real brand identity of your prefered product?
"

This reveals a clear attitude of segregattion. You
want to separate Amiga from MorphOS.
Samface: responsible of apartheid in the Amiga community.

You scare me...

z5 the blue said:
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Is their product to buy? Yes or no? (apart from Linux hardware)
"

I am pretty sure that buying a Pegasos now is
difficult. In fact, I think that all Pegasos made have
already been sold. What I mean is that Pegasos II
is around the corner and people have to wait for it.
Don't you think AmigaOS4 is in the same situation.
Doen't it deserve a little more patience.?

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I wouldn't like it, but yes, their products would be official Amiga products
That says enough to me.


I'm sorry but you simply cannot associate products with trademarks in any way you like, that's illegal. You're of course entitle to whatever opinion you like about it, but facts will always remain facts, you know.

Furthermore, this is only ONE of the reasons for why I think MorphOS/Pegasos users that are no longer using a real Amiga are not Amiga users. However, I will not go into this any further than the extent of the arguments you wrote since you said that you don't even have the intention of discussing this with me in the first place. You decide how far we will take this.

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Is their product to buy? Yes or no? (apart from Linux hardware)


Besides the LinuxOne, the AmigaOne made for running AmigaOS4 is available in stores today.

Anyway, a correct statement would have been "AmigaOS4 is not available in stores yet". However, what you said was:

Quote:
There is nothing to support on the "AmigaInc" side of things because there is NOTHING.


"Nothing" is a very strong word and claiming that something would be nothing is the same thing as denying it's existence. That was obviously a false statement and an outright lie. AmigaOS4 exists and has been demonstrated to the public with all the functionalities as specified on os.amiga.com.


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This reveals a clear attitude of segregattion. You want to separate Amiga from MorphOS.


I'd say it's the other way around; you're claiming that another platform with both different hardware and OS as the Amiga would be an Amiga. Fact is that this platform is not compatible with the real Amiga and is taking an entirely different direction as the Amiga. Amiga and MorphOS/Pegasos users has nothing in common except backwards compatibility and if that would be something that you could use to define something as an Amiga, a PC with WinUAE would be more of an Amiga than a Pegasos with MorphOS.

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Samface: responsible of apartheid in the Amiga community.


Genesi: Responsible for parasiticly marketing their products as Amiga products and further dividing the community, completing the split from the days of the H&P vs Phase5 war.


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BTW, I think your Apartheid metaphor is way out of line. We're talking about the use of computer brands, for christ sake! Then people call me a fanatic...


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@Xisp:
Actually, i don't consider myself to be on any side. Until about 2 months ago, i was an avid OS4 supporter (but keeping an interested eye on morphos aswell). Setbacks on OS4 and anything AmigaInc related have learned me not to believe until i can buy the product (which i will). In the meantime, morphOS is getting more and more impressive, so PegII with morpOS becomes really interesting as well. And sure they deserve a little more patience.

@Samface:
It all sounds a little bit contradictory. You say that morphos is no Amiga because it is other OS/hardware. Yet you say that if MS would buy Amiga and rename Windows into Workbench, then it would be an Amiga?

Going even further into your logic, if AmigaInc had chosen morphOs as the new workbench, then it would have been an Amiga? Right?

Amiga users and morphOS users have everything in common, because they are the same. They run the same software, they are interested in the same feel, simplicity and ease of use that made the only REAL amiga so good all those years ago. The only difference is that they don't have the name Amiga, which is just a paper.

Fact is that it is very compatible with the real Amiga. I would even go as far as to say that it will be AS compatible as OS4 will be.

And OS4 not being available is not a lie. Sorry. Or you tell me a store where i can buy it. The Amiga history of past 8 years should have learned that something isn't out until it is in the shops.


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@z5

Your vitriolic Anti -Amiga comments are very predicable. I have come to avoid reading
anything you post ...very clever of you to change your avatar though.

The AmigaOne is simply Linux hardware? I ?m certain Dell, Gateway, Apple, Sun
etc.etc. will be very surprised to find out they are all just making Linux hardware! If your
logic wasn?t so twisted and pathetic it would hilarious.

One can only imagine what your profound reasoning would come up with if the
AmigaOne wasn?t capable of running Linux. I wonder if the Genesi?s machine can run
Linux, just another example of Linux hardware as well?

AmiWest is an Amiga event. Genesi?s machine is not an Amiga. Perhaps next year Dell,
Gateway, Apple, Sun etc.etc. will show up there too.

And BTW I don?t own Genesi Linux hardware either.

Such silliness!


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very clever of you to change your avatar though


I didn't change my avatar, just a new one when i registered again. Sorry, but i don't change avatar so that ppl would read something i write. I could not care less, quite frankly. And the name was the same.

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The AmigaOne is simply Linux hardware? I ?m certain Dell, Gateway, Apple, Sun
etc.etc. will be very surprised to find out they are all just making Linux hardware! If your
logic wasn?t so twisted and pathetic it would hilarious.

One can only imagine what your profound reasoning would come up with if the
AmigaOne wasn?t capable of running Linux. I wonder if the Genesi?s machine can run
Linux, just another example of Linux hardware as well?


Sorry, can't figure out what you are trying to say here. What has Dell, Apple, Gateway and all have to do with linux or AmigaOne? And the Genesi machine can run morpOS so i don't understand that point either.

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AmiWest is an Amiga event. Genesi?s machine is not an Amiga. Perhaps next year Dell, Gateway, Apple, Sun etc.etc. will show up there too

Genesi's machine is the closest somebody has ever come to a real Amiga. AmigaOne is running Linux at the moment. That are facts.

But perhaps you can explain me why AmigaInc doesn't bother to show up on an REAL AMIGA event?


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People please no AOS4 vs MOS flames here at AmigaWorld!

I am sure both teams do the best they can. Just accept eachother's preferences.

If people are acting as if they know it all (i.e. the insider stuff and reasons for why things happened) while its clear they don't then please be the bigger man and ignore this person and continue the discussion with people who are acting more constructively.

Else this would be the first time since a very long time that we would need to moderate comments again. That would be a shame!

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If people are acting as if they know it all (i.e. the insider stuff and reasons for why things happened) while its clear they don't then please be the bigger man and ignore this person and continue the discussion with people who are acting more constructively.


if you were referring to me, MikeB, then i will only add that i don't know anything. That's why i am asking a lot of questions, on which nobody has ever been able to respond, either pro or contra.

I'm critical about everything Amiga official related, and a lot of signs have given me the impression that there actually is reason to be critical.


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