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Events   Events : First AOS 4 Roadshow reports from Brisbane Australia
   posted by MikeB on 18-Oct-2003 17:00:00 (8796 reads)
AmigaWorld members csirac and vortexau are the first to report from the first of a series of AmigaOS4 demonstrations planned for Australia. Read more for the reports.

csirac wrote:

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Hello everyone,

I was at the ADUG Brisbane OS4 presentation for a few hours today (didn't stay till the end - got assignments to do, buses to catch, hope I didn't win the door prize ) and I must say - seeing AmigaOS4 in action was great!

There was the usual stuff, overview of history of Amiga, the hardware etc. but I saw what I wanted, AmigaOne running AOS4.

We also got to pick up & play with an Actual A1 lite! It was tiny! Apparently it's a pre-production board, and will have more frills when it is finalised.. looks like it will probably be G3 only, and it currently has a mobility radeon 7000, 1x SO-DIMM slot, ps2, usb, ide, 3com ethernet, etc.

It had the same via686b south bridge that the current A1s use. We did not see it in action though.

Highlights:
1. Seeing AmigaOS 4 in action on an AmigaONE

2. Seeing AmigaOS 4 run some 68k apps very, very fast (well, WordWorth 7 anyway) and apparently flawlessly (though it wasn't given a very extensive work-out)

3. Seeing exactly HOW tiny the A1 lite is

4. Seeing AmigaOne run Linux, and my favourite distro at that (Debian )... extraordinarily well! It was fast and responsive, definately makes a good linux box by the looks of things, though some would argue that's what x86 PCs are for

5. Seeing AmigaOne running Linux, runing Mac On Linux, running MacOS X - fantastic! I was shocked to see how quickly it booted, it must have been under a minute.. It was MacOS 10.2, I have only seen up to 10.1 running on 600MHz G3 iMacs w/256MiB and on those machines it is SLOW (you don't want to turn it off once it is going). But 10.2 on MOL with a 800MHz G3 A1 was quite fast, very impressive.

6. Hearing AnythingAmiga business owner Doug Moir say positive things about the Amiga market in Australia, saying that it was actually GROWING. He reckons there is a market for A1 lites in industrial applications even in Queensland.

Ross Vumbaca answered most of the questions, he is apparently an AOS4 developer/tester and is responsible for the A1 Debian installer.

It wasn't the most proffessional event I've been to but I got a kick out of it... too bad there were heaps of QUT loser students there (I'm from Griffith ), the turnout was about what I expected (a bit over 20 people).

I had to laugh when the QUT geeks started playing/showing off with the A1 Linux setup down the back, Ross and Doug seemed a bit annoyed that people thought they could start messing with the X configuration... then again it was logged in as root, but I would have been annoyed too I guess. No I don't hate QUT students, not even the ones I met today, and some are even my friends However every Linux geek I have met seems to think that they know it all and a) think they know better b) think you care c) think you don't know something and have to be informed, since they assume (b).

There was one guy filming and someone else taking photos, but apart from the A1 lite there wasn't really anything new that hasn't already been shown on the 'net.

Well that's my mini report, I think an ADUG member will probably do a more extensive one with pics for you all...

End result... I think now that buying an A1 system is *NOT* an outrageous waste of money as could possibly be construed with the purchase of classic Amiga hardware, since it is now modern enough that it runs several major operating systems apart from AOS4 (Linux, MOL-MacOSX) very well. I mean... you could actually get work done on this thing... Work? An Amiga? My next PC will definately be an AmigaONE!

- Paul


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Hi Paul,

Its 11.44pm as I start on this! You can't imagine the mood of being involved in something such as this!

First correction:- I was helping out at the entrance desk, and I have to say that the numbers exceeded 40 which may not seem a lot, but was a 50% improvement over the Sydney event held the W/e before!

I'd been in to inspect the venue on thursday, and somehow Doug and I must have gotten our wires crossed because I 'thought' that I had heard him say that he'd pick me up at 9.00am!

After breakfast this sunday, I cleaned up my household convertable handtruck/dolly and added a craftwood-panel deck to it. The time was ticking by and I tried Doug's mobile number three times without success! By 10.25am I decided that I better get in there under my own steam, so I left the household dolly just inside the front door and set off for the bus.

Arriving at the QUT, I shared an elevator and had a chance to tell a total stranger about what I was there to experience and help with. Unfortunitely, although he'd had a little knowledge of the Amiga, he had no time that saturday to drop by. I left him with details of the RoadShow website.

Entering the threatre, I found things were being set-up; hardware out on the dias, the transparent A1 (with Linux) up the back, and the big banner up under the main screen.

Dropping my backpack under one of the rear tables, I helped with a load of gear to be brought in from a car. The closest parking was 40-50 metres away and, after helping load two 19" CRTs screen-down on a dolly, I loaded up with a laptop-strap over my sholder while I carried one mid-tower. Later I was sticking up some banners & posters outside the theatre.

Only two or three visitors (as distinct from presenters & workers) entered before the 1.00pm kick-off time!

Come 1.00 o'clock, however, and short lines began to form at the enterance door!
Unfortunitely the NAME - EMAIL ADDRESS & Sign-the-doorprize-docket procedure slowed things up at the entrance. The low-light and shadows didn't help that either. (The door prize was a snappy-looking 5¼" bay-Mounted cooling fan) I tried to assist by handing out the information packs.

Unfortunitely, after the presentation started, I missed a bit as visitors continued to arrive. Because of what I missed, I hope someone else will write-up a better report.

Anyway, the 1.00 - 5.00pm RoadShow presentation was divided up by two breaks which split the segments on Amiga History - The Comeback Story - The Developer Talk (Ross- I think) - OS4 Talk - and the Hardware Talk. Questions were feilded from the audience.

Doug Moir presented the final session - quite busy as he wore (figuretively speaking) many hats: representing ADUG, the reforming QLD users group, his business as distributer to the EAST-half of Australia-N.Z.-& S.E.Asia! He also has a lot of contact with various Australian developers incl several already onboard to write drivers for the mini ITX board!

° Speaking of which- Doug slipped that board out of its foil pack and held it up beside the A1XE board! WHAT A CONTRAST!

Physically it seems slightly smaller than- the Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux (which I took home with me).
-List of similar size books follows (for those who havn't seen THIS book):
° HARD DISK/SCSI CONTROLLER A2091-40 A2091
° A2000 User's Manual English
° PicassoII Manual
° AMIGA Hard Drive User's Guide (from OS3.0)

Anyway, I'm sure you get the impression - it would fit inside a CD32 Case! Aparently, it takes a Laptop-type Ram Simm, has a 2.5" IDE Header (& can Boot from a Memory Card in a no-moving-parts type configuration), onboard sound, onboard Gfx, onboard Firewire, incl VGA & SVideo outputs.

I can forsee someone fitting it into a Laptop Case, for one application!

WELL - to round-up:- last event was an IRC Session with Fleecy (10 Hrs behind Oz E,S.T)

FOR MYSELF -- the last thing was to arrange a lift homewards, since I wasn't about to take my NEW A1XEG4 System home on a BUS! John (another one!) and his better half kindly ferried me in their car!
    

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Re: First AOS 4 Roadshow reports from Brisbane Australia
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Hey John. Looks like you had a hell of a day.

Thanks for the kewl report as well ... Anyone take any Stills ?

AND you got your A1 {finally}.

Excellent stuff.....


Wait for the Debian questions Peeps

Apt-get is your friend ..But buggered if I can get any info out of peeps on how EXACTLY to get my radeon 8500 displaying colours correctly.

I think your've got a Radeon 7000 in yours, so you shouldn't have those problems.

Way to go, Digger.


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Yep thanks for the feedback from both participants. I really wanna get me hands on one of those mini-ITX boards . Would be excellent to see some pics of the show as The_Editor has already alluded.


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Yowie .... Big words, Bodie.. "Alluded"

Ok peeps ... Word of the day..

All together now ..

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Colours and Radeon 8500:

Which version (build) of UBoot, Linux and XFree do you use?

UBoot: displayed on boot
Linux: uname -a in a console
X: X -version (as root)

I'm pretty certain your problem is covered by the faq, though...


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Thanks for info , Olegil ..Will check it out ...

The revisions are as the MoBo was delivered... Apart from Xfree (possibly) cos I did an apt-get on that.

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LOL editor re: "allude" . I always try not to employ so-called "big words", for sometimes they can denegrate into a profligate exercise.


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ok .. Got 5 mins before the off" so punched in your commands.


Uboot ..to damn fast to see version

Linux 2.4.19

X - version ... WARNING Process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested.


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I always try not to employ so-called "big words", for sometimes they can denegrate into a profligate exercise.


One has to concur in essence to the sentiments you so articulately expressed.

Now imagine everyone around here started posting in such a manner....
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Yes GadgetMaster, if all within this esteemed Portal were to post in such a manner, then the nay-sayers related to the political and media fields, would consider AmigaWorld.net, not a place of transience, but a place of education, a place of erudition and elucidation of all things Amiga.


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I would expect there to be a BIT more output from X -version (only one space)

You need to update Uboot, Linux and XFree (to september version, 2.4.21 and 4.3.0 respectively) to use that graphics card, and I believe it is covered by the FAQ. Which I presume you've still not read.


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There seems to be some confusion still about the CPU in the A1 Lite. It's the same CPU cards used in the A1 XE, so there's no reason why you can't get it with a dual 1.3GHz G4. But a card like that is only REALLY cute when it has a fanless CPU, which means a G3 clocked somewhere around 400-600MHz. Which puts it at about the same speed as a 600-1000MHz Via C3 (due to large cache, better FPU and generally being a bit better The C3 gets beaten clock for clock by a Celeron, and the 750FX should be a bit faster than that, so it's in that ballpark anyway)

I'm actually REALLY looking forward to this board


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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

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@ olegil

Fanless CPU's... mmmmm, sleep makers (cos they're quiet, not for any ulterior reaons) .


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Yep. My setup is pretty quiet, with the loudest component being the case (PSU) fan. I should really investigate swapping that soon.


HD: 26dBA (this is SERIOUSLY quiet, barely audible from a meter away)
PSU fan: slightly more than that.
slow rotating GPU and CPU fans: below hearing treshold (not kidding).

I got some comments from an old Amiga friend this weekend (he was staying at my place while in town playing chess) about lack of noise from it. Which I take as a good sign.
He didn't get to see a single hang or crash either, but we only used CPU and GFX bandwidth watching movies (I don't have a telly, but I have a movie collection ), nothing fancy. Hehe


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Just got back from Brissie after driving all day. Hate to think how many emails there are stacked up after four days away.

Anyway, the official counts for the two venues (entry fees paid) were Sydney 43, Brisbane 48.
I bet Melbourne will outdo them both

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We're both hoping so! As soon as all the details have pounded out, I have vowed to stick up the OS4 tour posters on bus stops, discotteques, pubs, major railway stations, uni's, hell, even in police cells because I can see that I'll be put away for illegal usage of advertising space. Even prisoners will be clamouring over the walls to get to the OS4 demo!


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Hey John. Looks like you had a hell of a day.

AND you got your A1 {finally}


Funny thing, though, how THIS has mirrored my FIRST Linux experience, on a K6 machine that time!

I left it to Sunday to set it up and then had my first disapointment - the keyboard WASN'T what I'd been expecting! . Working out where the monitor, keyboard & mouse plugged in; I switched on the monitor and then the A1.

Then, I wanted to adjust the display and couldn't figure-out the new Samsung's screen adjustment controls -- I was left with its Highlight feature active. Firstoff, I popped the Samsung CD-ROM into the drive in the A1 and opened Konquerer(?). Got nowhere with that as I couldn't figureout how to open it as a Local File.

So, it was - Fire up the A2000 and open AWeb-II. Getting to the directions for the screen controls; I grasped how to streach - shift - and adjust trapazoid parameters. Finally I had removed the Highlight, and had the display dimentions to my liking.

Come evening, I thought about shifting the modem, and the phone-line extention to it.

First job - detach the phone-line from the modem, cover the plug with a piece of tape, and back the line down its existing hole in the floor. Then it was bring up the rechargeable drill and make a pilot hole at the floor-wall junction under Big Blue (the desk holding the A1). Room Then I straightened out a white tie left over from the cables, and pushed it down inside the hole.

Then off downstairs to shift the line before enlarging its NEW access hole.

First problem - couldn't see the white tie showing. Back upstairs with a tape measure to plot the distance of the new hole from the old. . . . . 10'
Downstairs, and the measure helps me to find that pesky hole-indicator inside the ceiling of an old room under the house, which I judged too difficult to run the phone line inside. So it was, measure the usable space along the inside-edge under the exterior wall. . . . 6'

Back upstairs to measure, then drill a second pilot hole and push the white tie into that. Downstairs to confirm it usable and then to re-route the line while hammering in nails to bend into cable-holders. My evening meal was sure to be a re-heat job now! Got the plug up the hole and shouted loud enough to attract the wife's attention for her to draw up the line.

Then it was time to pack-up the tools, close-up downstairs, get upstairs to wash-up and eat a microwaved, hot, but blackened-around-the-edges meal!

After the meal it was time to position the modem, draw the power and phone line into position, attach the serial lead from the A2000 (good thing these double-header wide/narrow D-connectors!!) into one of the A1's serial ports.

So, switch on the A1 once again and login as root, to configure the mail-client and??? WHERE THE HELL is KDE's equivalent to Miami? A Dialup Agent? I searched, and searched, and searched, and searched, and PASTED in "and searched," to no avail. I did find a entry to set ethernet & ASDL, but not 56k phone-modem!

So it is that I unplugged the serial lead, and returned the modem to the A2000 with the phone lead now alongside the wall. THAT is what I had to do LAST time that I experimented with Linux, which leaves me to wonder.. . . . If Linux is SO GREAT, and SO DEPENDANT, with Internet Services; WHY the difficulty in getting it connected to the ISP? Give me Miami anyday!

(( You should understand that I did consult: Three copies of Linux ForMat, the AMIGAONE Quickstart Guide Debian Linux-PPC v1.4, a copy of Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux, and my copy of Red Hat Linux for Dummies, not to ignor my UNIX Secrets book. ))

I'd say the really BIG SECRET is actually connecting a machine running a Linux distrib to an ISP with DialUp for the very first time!?!


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Linux + dialup? Nah, noone uses that anymore

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Has anyone tried how fast windows & x86 apps are on MOL + virtualPC?


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