I think OS4.1 looks great, but I do have one question! Will it have support for USB 2?
I personally think this is what I miss the most from OS 4.0. I also know that USB 2 is on some Amiga like os and even os 3.x. USB 1 makes external hard drives sloooow and even getting digicam pictures off of a memory chip takes way too long IMHO. Not only that but many new printers only have USB and this would enjoy a speed boost too. The secound thing I miss the most is builting network printing. I don't mean to sound winy, but these two would go a long way to making Aos work with modern peripherals

@wisementrading.com

Since the machine doesn't have USB2. It won't help you.

Write some drivers and get yourself a PCI Card. That would work :)

Last edited by Speedy on 14-Jul-2008 at 11:48 PM.

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I know that, but my Aone doesn't have a built in Video or sound card either. This does not stop OS 4 from supporting video cards and sound and working out of the box to boot. This is what I am looking for with USB 2!

@wisementrading.com

USB2.0 is beeing looked into.. but it dident make it for AOS4.1.. sorry

here is a picture of two devices connected to my usb2.0 conroller

http://www.rwo.dk/ehci3.png

But I need to track down some errors that is preventing it from working correctly.

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Great news!! Do you mean that USB 2 should be included in os4.1 update 1 or 2 or that you are working on it separatly? Thank you for the info that it (usb 2) is being worked on!

@mwoof

I can and will, as some time in the future... I can't say more than that, but it on my todo list.

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yes it proberly will be included in an AOS4.1 update, but its not up to me, to desite what goes into an update or when it does.

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Os4.1....Update....Compatable USB2.0 card.....Drivers for said card.....

Sounds like it is still a ways off. It would be great to have though.

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@RWO

Nice. It's good to see that someone has taken on this task. Unfortunately, my A1 has no free slots at the moment.

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@wisementrading.com

BTW don't classic users have USB2 with cards like the Deneb?

Also, can Mediator users plug in PC USB cards?

@Hype

USB2.0 is very important thing as probably most people use it for transfering files to harddisk/mobilephones etc. Its good that RWO is on work. Too bad it wasnt in 4.1 ;(

@wisementrading.com

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wisementrading.com wrote: I think OS4.1 looks great, but I do have one question! Will it have support for USB 2?

Why do you think an USB stack has to be integrated into the OS?
We're not Mickeysoft, after all!

If you want USB, you buy the hardware together with the driver/stack (e.g. "Deneb" and "Poseidon"), install it and that's it.

That's what I call "expandable".

I can see absolutely no need to have that integrated into the OS.

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wisementrading.com wrote: ... I also know that USB 2 is on some Amiga like os and even os 3.x. USB 1 makes external hard drives sloooow and even getting digicam pictures off of a memory chip takes way too long IMHO.

Not only "on some Amiga like os" - I have it working in my A 4000 PPC with OS 3.9.
Initiallly I had the Spider2 USB 2.0 "highspeed" card in the Mediator (that one was really slow for a "highspeed"-device, but worked) and recently switched to the "Deneb" in an Zorro III slot. The "Deneb" is significantly faster and offers full DMA.
Personally I have no experience with external hard drives - up to now my internal ones are sufficient for my needs. But so far others reported, they're happy with it.

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wisementrading.com wrote: Not only that but many new printers only have USB and this would enjoy a speed boost too.

Aside from the fact that there are adaptor cables available to connect USB-printers to the parallell port - just buy a "Deneb" with "Poseidon" and be happy...

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wisementrading.com wrote: The secound thing I miss the most is builting network printing. I don't mean to sound winy, but these two would go a long way to making Aos work with modern peripherals

I'm really getting the impression you would be better off using Windows.
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Windows is doing everything for you - if you use that, you can stop thinking.
The next upgrade will even have support to wipe it's user's a#s when he's done on the toilet.
[/ironic mode off]

Should I be wrong with what I said above, you just need to enter "netpar" as a search string in AmiNet and then be directed to the files "NetPar.lha (TCP/IP Network Printing Package)" and "NetParLpr.lha (Network Printing Client)".

Just download one of them, de-crunch it, install it, make the proper settings and be happy.

(BTW - It could turn out as a good idea to do some own research befor starting to whine publically about the alleged non-availability of software items in the Amiga market)

I use "NetPar.lha" now, since the parallell port in my A 4000 died a few months ago (possibly due to me hot plugging and bending one pin against annother).

Now my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer is connected to my routers USB port for network printers via an USB2Par-adaptor cable and prints flawlessly from both - the Amiga and the WIntel-PC (the WIntel-PC is remote-controlled from my Miggy via registered version of "RDesktop" from Darren Eveland).

I just had to change my TurboPrint settings from "Device: TurboPar" to "Device: lpr.device" to be able to use it.

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Dandy wrote: Why do you think an USB stack has to be integrated into the OS? We're not Mickeysoft, after all! If you want USB, you buy the hardware together with the driver/stack (e.g. "Deneb" and "Poseidon"), install it and that's it. That's what I call "expandable". I can see absolutely no need to have that integrated into the OS. Not only "on some Amiga like os" - I have it working in my A 4000 PPC with OS 3.9. Initiallly I had the Spider2 USB 2.0 "highspeed" card in the Mediator (that one was really slow for a "highspeed"-device, but worked) and recently switched to the "Deneb" in an Zorro III slot. The "Deneb" is significantly faster and offers full DMA. Personally I have no experience with external hard drives - up to now my internal ones are sufficient for my needs. But so far others reported, they're happy with it.

External hard drives, USB flash drives and related devices (cameras, mp3 players, phones etc.) are an important part of everyday computer life for many people, myself included. Just because you don't need them doesn't mean it wouldn't be welcomed by the majority of people as part of the OS. Yes, USB1.1 works, and should be an integral part of the OS since just about any peripheral you can buy uses USB nowadays, but speed-wise, USB1.1 is just so slow it feels like a frustratingly crippled demo version of USB when you use it every day.

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Quote: wisementrading.com wrote: Not only that but many new printers only have USB and this would enjoy a speed boost too. Aside from the fact that there are adaptor cables available to connect USB-printers to the parallell port - just buy a "Deneb" with "Poseidon" and be happy...

Or, if USB 2 was included with the OS, just buy a cheap USB card, plug it in and be happy. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for classic hardware - God knows I've spend thousands on it over the years - but with an A1 and a brand new OS, some people would expect this kind of functionality out of the box.

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Why do you think an USB stack has to be integrated into the OS?

Probably because even mice and keyboards are USB nowadays and it would be somewhat impossible to install an OS on a USB only setup if the OS doesn't have USB support built-in. An USB stack is just as important as a gfx card driver, sound card driver, IDE driver etc.

@Dandy

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Why do you think an USB stack has to be integrated into the OS? We're not Mickeysoft, after all! If you want USB, you buy the hardware together with the driver/stack (e.g. "Deneb" and "Poseidon"), install it and that's it. That's what I call "expandable". I can see absolutely no need to have that integrated into the OS.

I completely disagree with you : the (USB) stack *has* to be part of the system because how would you react if each device you are buying would be using its own USB stack ? Plus there is exaclty *one* USB hardware targeted to Amiga market so how would you get drivers for every other hardwares ?

No what I think is that the OS should provide the stack and some basic classes for generic USB devices following the USB specs (HID driver, Mass Storage driver, PTP driver, etc.). Any customized device shoudl either come with an adequat driver from the manufacturer or by an interested third party. The stack is only the "guide".

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Excellent news. Just as with the 4.1 release announcement, I am glad people are working towards a future for my favorite OS.
Three questions:
Will existing USB drivers need to be re-written for the new USB2.0 stack when it is released? (USBMIDI)
Is there planned support for isochronous transfers in the new stack?(USBAUDIO)
Is there anything I can do to help?

Thanks again for your support.

LyleHaze

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I can and will, as some time in the future...

@Rudei
Thanks! But I'm susprised you noticed now, it's been there for ages...

I found it here: http://www.be-central.be . It seems to be down though...

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Wow...

I've been away from OS4 for two years, but I keep checking its progress (and pray that either it becomes emulatable on Intel machines or that I get rich so I can buy an OS4-compatible machine!)...and I must say...I'm disturbed, if not disgusted, that OS4 still doesn't support USB2...I was kind of irked that it wasn't supported way back when I bought the Highway card right when it came out.

What is taking so bloody long??

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