Any updates worth noting regarding Timberwolf?

I feel this as a critical component to the Os4 ecosystem...

Also, once Timberwolf is complete, can it make use of all the Firefox addons?

In addition, would Chrome browser ever be ported to the Amiga, or an open source variant?

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Any updates worth noting regarding Timberwolf?

If you want a answer you should ask that question on Amigans I think, HJF never post here anymore.

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Also, once Timberwolf is complete, can it make use of all the Firefox addons?

Yes, they are JS based.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Building_an_Extension

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In addition, would Chrome browser ever be ported to the Amiga, or an open source variant?

Your welcome to try

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@QuBe

OWB MUI is fast and useful and has HTML5 support.

Timberwolf is alpha and yet slow, even FF addons do work.

Chromium is great and nice, but port would not do itself.
With current almost done Timberwolf and early early beginning of Open Office,
it doesn`t look like. Open source is great, it offers possibility to do the port,
but Amiga market and ecosystem is so small ...

It was a great pain to bring FF to this state ... it traces even back to 2003 (funding, not port)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timberwolf_%28web_browser%29

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@vox

Timberwolf is not slow on AmigaONE-X000, it where usable, It probably eats more CPU cycles but you don't notice.

So it all depends on your hardware, if you want to use it right now, If and have a Sam440, AmigaONE-XE/SE/Mini, then TImberwolf is going to be too slow, if you have a Sam460 it might be okay.

The first attempts started back whit Netscape commander/navigator I remember reading about some trying to port it back in 1996/97 in think it was AmigaFormat magazine.

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QuBe wrote: In addition, would Chrome browser ever be ported to the Amiga, or an open source variant?

(MUI-)OWB and Chrome do use the same WebKit-engine, so maybe that's close enough? :)

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I'm waiting for a version that actually works. On all my OS4 machines and all my OS4 installs all TimberWolf does is crash everytime. I gave up. Forget that, I'm over crashing programs.

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I'm waiting for a version that actually works. On all my OS4 machines and all my OS4 installs all TimberWolf does is crash everytime.

That's so strange....originally with Os4.1 update 5, i had the same problem. But since the regular flow of updates through the added facility of automatic updates made available in Os4.1 update 6, Timberwolf now seems very stable on my micro A1. Have you tried the latest beta version lately? Just curious if you see the same thing I do.


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@Hypex

I see Hypex, but from what I used to read over the last year or so was that it was up and running and doing quite well performance wise. It is a shame that more money is not directed toward getting TimberWolf complete. Maybe money has been spent on it, I don't recall.

Was a bounty set up for it? Sorry, if I have had serious memory lapses regarding this...

Thanks...

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Have you tried the latest beta version lately?

Didn't know it was at the Beta stage, thought it would be running just fine without any issues. Is it still a memory hog? I remember people eluding to the fact that it wasn't optimised, quite slow and used a lot of memory. Is this still the case?

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Bounty was collected.
http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=44

It went to RC (pre-release) state
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/timberwolf.lha

Officially the have made even more complex promise to update it from FF4 to FF 18-19 for final one.
http://friedenhq.org/?page_id=74

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Timberwolf is the AmigaOS port of Mozilla’s Firefox browser. Currently, the code is based on Firefox 4.0.1, but we’re working on bringing it up to the latest build (18.0.1 at the time of writing, although 19.x is more likely).

However, that is kind of workaround around source code clause: keep it in development.

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ersion The version to be ported is the most recent 4.0 version including the latest stability fixes. At the time of writing this, the most recent 4.0 version is 4.0.1. Any subsequent stability fix will be applied. Later versions of Firefox (4.1 and beyond) are not covered by the bounty. Source code The source code of the port will be made available only as far as the MPL requires it, i.e. all modified source code files will be available for interested parties, but new files will not. This is in accordance with the requirements of the Mozilla Public License. If, after 12 months after the release of a new major version of Firefox, the author(s) of Timberwolf have not released a new version or at least committed to a new version, the source code shall be given to an interested party that can continue development of Timberwolf.

However, I would prefer to have stable FF 4, instead of long wait for FF19, even its way more improved in the end.

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@vox

I have to agree Vox, its better to get a good version out, that is usable then to wait for too long.

All platforms need a robust browser with the necessary plugins that make the web what it is today. I have not used OWB, so I don't know how good it really is and what it can do.

For example, does OWB allow one to use all the browser Google services without an issue? Can one use Google Drive for example and/or Google Maps without issue?

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OWB in its current version (1.20 on MorphOS ) allows to use Google without any problem : mail, docs, , maps (even streetview also works when spoofing as Ipad).

It has good HTML5 support : it scores 402+15 bonus points in html5test.com, which is more than Firefox 21. It includes HTML5 audio and video support, for webm, h264 and theora, allowing to watch Youtube, vimeo, dailymotion and many more portals.

It has userscripts (js-based extensions) support, plugin support (but we only have incomplete opensource Flash implementations, unfortunately, like gnash or swfdec).

It has an integrated MUI GUI, with all you can expect from a native application : OS-compliant look, clipboard support, OS filerequesters, drag'n'drop, locale, rexx port, and much more.

However, the OS4 port is not uptodate. In particular, it doesn't have HTML5 media support and is based on a 3 year old WebKit, which might cause some issues here and there.

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However, the OS4 port is not uptodate. In particular, it doesn't have HTML5 media support and is based on a 3 year old WebKit, which might cause some issues here and there.

Which means it can`t do most of mentioned advanced features, sadly.

While we wait for Tiiiimmmbbbberrrr ... could a bounty to port to OS4 it be set?
How much job could it be, how high bounty should be?

edit: just leared its closed souce project,. unsutable for P2P.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37804&forum=32#709792

Maybe, classic Amiga Bounty?

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@scabit

A couple of months ago I tested it and when it crashed. I looked for a new version. I recall there was none newer than what I had. However, I just checked then and there was a newer version archive than on my HD, which seems strange as it is dated September 2012 which was a while back now.

So I just downloaded it then, deleted my current one and replaced it. Well it looks like it has done the trick as it was able to load up and didn't crash on me. Thanks for the hint.

@QuBe

Yes money has gone into it, as you can see.

But the Amiga scene now is different than what it once was. We have two modern browsers it will be competing with. And one of these has a native GUI toolkit the other using MUI. Both free offerings. TW doesn't use either by the looks of it. So if it's going to money well spent it will need a native GUI toolkit eventually. And run just as fast. We don't need another AmiCygnix look a like.

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I feel this as a critical component to the Os4 ecosystem...

Not sure why, we already have a more Amiga-like, modern and finished browser in MUI-OWB, I'd much rather see development on that continued to bring it up to speed with MorphOS MUI version.

Firefox was cool and relevant back in 2007, but today it's old hat, most of the world is moving onto webkit browsers now, Chrome/Chromium/Safari and luckily OWB is based on the same engine.

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I think we might be better of if Google Chrome came to OS4......

ah well....

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