@JamieKrueger

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As if to add injury to insult, both of my AmigaONE machines are failing. I suspect that I can repair the A1-XE, but I'm not really sure what's wrong with the Micro A1. Another reason why I was hoping for new hardware that would run AmigaOS4.

The SAM 440ep runs Amiga OS 4, and has done for a while, and the SAM 440 flex is also out. I was under the impression that you knew about these new boards.

You have an interesting opinion of the legal spat between Hyperion and Amiga Inc., which is understandable given that you work for Amiga Inc. However, Amiga Inc. has lost its credibility, and I'm inclined to disagree that it's Hyperion's fault that the legal issues haven't been sorted out yet. I really do hope that these two companies can get come to a win-win agreement.

Your suggestion that Amiga Inc. has started writing an OS from scratch makes me wonder what would happen with all that code if an amicable agreement were reached. Having duplicate but incompatible efforts does not sound good.

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So OS 5 is to be an OS from scratch. Have they/you started it?

@JamieKrueger

Thank you for informing us.

It seems that AmigaOS&Community is being held as hostage by some companies, again (remembering old PowerUP wars etc...)... Stupid politics!

What is the latest estimate of the time needed to get things sorted out with Hyperion & AmigaInc?

This year? Then you just keep those sources for a while.
Next decade? Then do option 2 or 3.


In the end, if AOS fate is f*cked up forever by company policies, the fate of AVD does not matter much either! Release it for AROS.


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perion Entertainment wishes to thank its loyal customer-base for its continued support as it embarks on its most ambitious project to date – watch this space for further information.

Ok. Now I know (kind of) Hyperion's next big project. HyperOS5.0 that surpricingly is API compliant with AOS4. There goes the AmigaOS continuation...

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@JamieKrueger

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From what I can see this legal battle continues to exist because Hyperion wishes it, and not because Amiga Inc. has not been willing to resolve the issue. I respect the developers at Hyperion and all those that continue to support OS4 with their own contributions. However, Hyperion as a company is threatening to compete with the previous owners of Amiga for driving nails into the coffin that once was the Amiga computer.

The legal battle continue to exit because Hyperion wishes it, and not because Amiga Inc. has not been willing to resolve the issue?

I think you have to explain better. Is this an accusation or what? Although you said this are personal opinion you have made precise statement from the point of view of an internal employee.

At this point the confusion grow up.

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I vote for option number 3.
Release it to the public so that amigadevs can continue you great work.

@JamieKrueger

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1.) I am still working for Amiga Inc. and under a current NDA with them so my answers to any Amiga Inc. related issues are going to be very limited, if any. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

We are *very* familiar with Amiga, Inc.'s near constant stance to not include the community in any of its directions or plans. Luckily, given all the years, the proof is in the pudding. Your firm has produced zilch that is of interest to the vast majority of the communuity. Your firm makes wild statements about having an operating system already developed that is "much better" than OSX from Apple. Troels even says Bill claims you guys possess (but refuse to release) a fully modern browser for AOS 4.0. You make non-innovative cell phone software (how many tip calculators are on the market - jeez). You advertise having a company in India that has produced nothing, not completing simple advertised projects in years. You partner with firms with horrible reputations like ACK, which give every appearance to have been a stunt based on the court case. You waste the time of an entire city in Washington state with some hair-brain idea about sponsoring an arena for a local hockey team by spending millions and millions on it, even offering more than the city had asked for! Then your firm backs out of the deal, leaving that city in a lurch. And yet, those unused millions upon millions don't get the public any worthwhile product since that time.

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Bill is a good guy who lives in a near constant state of extreme pressure, so please give him a break OK.

Pressure from what? He has kept his job for years now despite no results from the firm. He has kept his job despite severe public embarassment over the Kent arena affair in the mainstream media and the fiasco in the technology news stories about him saying his vaporware OS is much better than Apple OSX. He has kept his job despite the absolute failure of your latest product, AA2. He lacked the moral fiber to not back this "new" Amiga, Inc. which took all the worthwhile assets of the old one, but left a number of open liabilities unpaid. I'm sorry, but Bolton Peck is a much more sympathetic player in all of this than Bill could ever be.

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Taking the job at Amiga, Inc.: Toward the end of June 2007, my personal financial status had hit critical levels

You do what you have to do I suppose. But Snowman maker is not what we want, sorry.

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Hi Jamie, here is Dirk from Belgium.

As one of your big sponsors for FreeAVD i would like to choose
the number 1 solution, but as you say you can not work on it in
your free time then i am more tempted to go for the choise 3 as
i do not think that you will get enough money from choise 2.

Maybe you could make contact with the developer of this programme:
http://www.hd-rec.de/pics/AIDE2s.png
Maybe you have some things in common, i do not know.

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From what I can see this legal battle continues to exist because Hyperion wishes it, and not because Amiga Inc. has not been willing to resolve the issue.

Sad to see that you have fallen under Bill McEwan's reality distortion field (which is a lot weaker than Steve Job's...). Most likely both parties share some responsibility for the continued legal battle (although I have little faith in Amiga Inc after all their shenanigans, e.g. the Kent events centre).

What is MORE interesting is that you have seemingly confirmed that there is still an on-going legal dispute between AI & Hyperion, which is at odds with some of us concluding that there must have been an out-of-court settlement because the last legal deadlines have long since expired without any more news. Sad if you are right, although that would leaves me puzzled about the state of the court case.

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@JamieKrueger

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** The following is strictly my personal opinion, and does not reflect the opinion of Amiga Inc.** The big problem; Hyperion and Amiga Inc. continue to debate the ownership of OS4

Absolutely. But if and when that is solved, the even bigger problem comes into the spotlight...
As a group, the companies involved could not achieve what they wished.
The question then that must be asked is "what makes either one of you think you can be more successful going solo?"

I realize that's a "loaded" question, especially for strong supporters, but it's a topic that comes up in private conversation more often than you might think...

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1.) Keep the sources, and hope the wind changes soon, and conditions become more favorable for continued development of AVD for AmigaOS4. 2.) Sell the sources to another company to finish. (I would only consider doing this if the company that bought them was actually going to release a completed version of AVD for AmigaOS4, and remained true to the Free release of FreeAVD.) 3.) Release the sources under an Open Source license and allow other developers to continue my work from here, hopefully with the financial support of the community (as a free build for the public would always be required). Now I have rambled on long enough. I leave it to you, which of the above three choices do you consider the best choice? Do you have any other ideas that would guarantee the release of AVD to the Amiga community?

Since so few people have replied to your request, I am offering my opinion even though I never contributed towards AVD: Given how long things have taken, I do not believe that option 1 is a sensible bet (and AVD looses it's worth every day). I am also skeptical that there is any Amiga company who would make option 2 viable. This leaves option 3, and there are enough Amiga coders left that surely something could be done with it.

So I choose option 3 as the most realistic, even if it isn't the most desirable in an ideal world.

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@JamieKrueger

I was one of your customers for AVD and was very excited about it.

I was aware that it was not a finished product when I bought it. I bought it to support the development in the hope that this software would help make more new software for OS4.

I think that the only option if AVD should be developed further is to release under an open source license.

As waiting for better times who knows when that will be. As for selling the source to another company to finish what company would be interested in that when most of the potential buyers have already paid for the product?

I fully understand that you could not finish the product and I took a chance when I bought it. I must say I think the product is dead unless it is released soon. But luckily things have moved on since you left the community and I think that Simon Achers CodeBench looks very promising.

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@JamieKrueger

Thanks for your recent posts.

Regarding the AVD project, IMHO you should go with option 1 as your 1st choice and option 3 as your backup plan. It sounds to me as if you would like to finish AVD yourself, afterall, you have a vested interest in the project and a vision of what you want AVD to become.

I appreciate that you are expressing your own private opinions on the other matters. We are a tough crowd. Some agree and others do not. We should not take out our feelings on you.

Thanks for your recent post #195. It helps explain some things.

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@JamieKrueger

Thanks for your personal insight into the current situation with Hyperion and Amiga Inc. as well as with AVD development, it was...well...most insightful!

I can totally sympathize with your situation and respect what you have had to do to survive and am actually surprised that you've not dropped the community in complete disgust.

I totally agree 100% with your thoughts concerning the ongoing battle between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. I too also originally threw all of my support behind Amiga Inc. and Hyperion and their AOS4, forsaking all other flavours of Amiga, for the same reasons you did. Although I agree with you on who most likely instigated this and who has a greater interest in draging it out, I can't however say that I have any respect left for either of the companies involved in these long and protracted legal shananigans though and don't see much hope for anything positive ever coming out of it, no matter who wins - assuming you can call it winning - the legal battle.

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