Folks,

this is my first post on the forum and I really don't want to start a flamewar but I had no other forum to ask. I am a Mac user but I am very curious about both Amiga and MorphOS. I know people here will be more in favor of an Amiga machine and I'd expect nothing different from AmigaWorld forum but what I ask is if some people here could post replies comparing both systems. I'd rather use an AmigaOS 4 machine but the Pegasus II one are cheaper. I'd like the idea to join a small comunity as I am a developer and love systems where you make some difference.

I just don't know much about both systems as to decide which one is a better option and I think users here will have more info. I follow this site for some time and read all the stuff online about AmigaOS 4 and even looked into some C code. I tried to follow MorphOS scene as well but I think i've been to the wrong sites.

can people join the thread and tell me why they choosed one platform over the other without flaming plz

Cheers and Thanks
Andre

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LOL! Not this again...
I'll leave it to the experts on the forum to post.

BTW

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T_Bone wrote: @SoapDog get both. be the first on your block to collect them all!

gotta catch em' all, gotta catch em' all

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@SoapDog

Get a Classic-Amiga 1200/3000/4000 equipped with a PPC-accelerator, and you can have both OS4 and MorphOS

to aw.net

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@SoapDog

Last time I checked the Pegasos II and MicroA1 were priced similarly.

No idea why I have two Amigas and one x86 laptop as main computers and a bunch of PCs laying around doing nothing, maybe afraid of trying new things and sticking with the safe option?

My laptop was also away since the HD broke down, weird though as I've been told x86 computers are so much better ;DD, but anyway, I now use the µA1 as the main computer and laptop as secondary.

The disadvantage of lacking modern software on AmigaOS, I turn around to be lots of ideas of software to try to make or port ;)

The micro was at least a lot cheaper than a PowerBook, but I might have gotten a PowerBook if it run AmigaOS. Mac OS X is nice and all, but a little too sluggish for me, and I would prefer not to have a steam engine as a computer (G5 temp. and loud fans).

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@SoapDog

Both OSs are similar in features, although MorphOS has been longer in the market and has support for more USB and 3D hardware, a little bit more ported and native software that is released (Blender3D, Quake3, MLDonkey, KHTML port underway, etc). MorphOS supports MUI as default toolkit (some devs consider it a major feature).

OS4 has released software support for Altivec, silicon image UDMA PCI cards (although MorphOS supports some SCSI cards).

Both are a bit similar, but when you consider available hardware options, OS4 lacks in this area. It is hard to get new and working hw for OS4.

@brotheris

You forgot to mention that OS4 has a native tcp/ip stack

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@tomazkid

There is EzTCP native for MorphOS, although not finished yet, but usable. DHCP client is beeing integrated into it as we speak. We can consider this myth busted (-;

Or you can use Miami demo or AmiTCP4/Genesis from various Internet bundles.

OS4 devkit contains more recent GCC, because some MorphOS devs consider PPC generated code broken in some ways by GCC3/4.

@brotheris

I know about EzTCP, It counts when it reaches version 1.0.
It is getting better, and surely it will be very welcome to MOS-users when it is ready, which can't be too far off, the progress and development seems to go quite fast, but this far Genesis/AmiTCP seems to be the fastest of those you mention what comes to network-speeds.

I'm also curious about this:
Roadshow comes with OS4, will EzTCP be integrated into MorphOS?

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@brotheris

So this TCP/IP stack is not finished.
Therefore its a beta. Just like our OS and therefore does not count by all intents and purposes in your camp

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Pegasus II one are cheaper.

Does it mean that it's better ?
PCs are even cheaper you know.

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@SoapDog

Since the moderators still havn't removed my account (which I asked for) I make an aswer here from my point of view.

I choose the Pegasos2 (actual 2 ones) basically from the history of the developers of the board (they where some of the ex. Phase5-team) which created the best computer gadgets for the Amiga ever. They had the vision of what the Amiga was all about and IMO. the Pegasos is a work of that passion.

The Pegasos was stated to be the other Zico-board from Amiga Inc. back in the beginning
and since I wanted a new "Amiga" and AmigaOne didn't have any sort of Amiga-like system back when it was sold I obvious picked the Pegasos since it in contrary to the Amiga1 came with a Amiga-like system called MorphOS.
My intention was to run MorphOS until there was official AmigaOS for the Pegasos.

Still there is no official support for the Pegasos due political reasons, but I don't mind since IMO MorphOS is great and has everything I ever wanted from AmigaOS and beyond.
Some might disagree with me.

The latest developments on Ambient (which is the desktop of MorphOS) has lately peeked and I'm really glad I stuck around for what is about to happen.
Oth. I would not mind having OS4 on one of my Pegasos since I love any form of Amiga-styled system, but it's not really important to me since MOS is all I need.

You asked for comments, and this is how I see it =)

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the Pegasos is a work of that passion.

IMO, NOT if you associate bbrv with it... What "put me off" the Pegs when I first looked at both system was the comments from bbrv regarding A1/OS4... and his insults towards everyone who disagreed with him (I believe it was on osnews website).

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I would not mind having OS4 on one of my Pegasos

It's unlikely to ever happen IMHO !

Personnally I went AmigaOne/OS4 and I am really happy with it ! I am currently running Pre-Release 3, and (IMHO) it's a far more finish product than anything Windows (that includes WinXP_SP2 though this system is a bit more stable than previous versions)...

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@SoapDog

I'd see it realistic from a customers point of view:

1) AmigaOS4 is actively developed and will so also in the future. Maybe it will also come
for the Pegasos, but i wouldn't count on that. A MircoA1 is almost even with a Pegasos in
pricing. There will come the Amy'05 by Troika, which also targets a good price.

2) MorphOS might be still in developement, but the developers and Genesi (as hardware
vendor/owner/distributor/etc of the Pegasos) "don't like each other" anymore.. see
www.morphos.net. So the situation is difficult to justice..

3) Buy old hardware (A1200/A4000) and buy some PPC accelerators for it (which can also
be quite expensive) and although you could then happily run both AOS4 and MOS on it,
i'm sure you don't want to struggle with the typical problems of more than 10 years old
hardware anytime soon...

Pick your choice...

IMHO (!), the best bet would be AmigaOS4 with new hardware.. no struggling with the
problems of old hardware (which WILL occur sooner or later), no fear about being left
alone with hardware running some *nix because the other OS isn't released for anymore.
Of course that situation might change, but again IMHO it's far more likely that the 'political'
problems will be solved and we will see AOS4.x on Genesi hardware.

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@tomazkid

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Roadshow comes with OS4, will EzTCP be integrated into MorphOS?

Don't think so. The mythical MorphOS1.5 contains TCP/IP stack (and various other goodies), but it's not ready to be released for various reasons (Poseidon3 is said to be one of them). EzTCP was born as a bounty, people contributed to have native stack "now", instead "when it's done" (-; It's a comunity initiative. Roadshow would've been better as author did promise it for MorphOS too. To bad of those crappy lock-in licence agreements. Politics )-:

@Rudei

Oh cut the "camp crap".

morphos.net is a hijacked website (to cut long story short), the real one should be @ http://www.morphos-team.net/ but it displays this message too long. Although other parts of website work, just check out http://3d.morphos-team.net/ and http://powerup.morphos-team.net/

Here IMHO is an unprejudiced fair comparison of both OS which are in a development state.

Having both machines here, I can say that Workbench(AmigaOS4) is more feature-laden than Ambient(Morphos) ATM. When you use Ambient, you miss the small utlitities such as Unarc, Editpad, rawbinfo. You have to download third party utils to plug the gap such as Voodoo-X, Wordpad.

Ambient has MUI integrated and having with the whole of MorphOS built on this - it is a real strength. The system prefs are arranged as MUI has its settings (one window with scrollable icons on the left side to select the applications). OS4 uses Reaction out of the box and although I like it now, took a while to grow on me.

Printing is poor on OS4 due to Hyperion having to use the legacy Commodore drivers, which having yet been updated much over the years. Conversely MorphOS has native Turboprint support so this may answer the question why an OS4 version hasn't materialised yet.

PDF support is good on OS 4 through AmiPDF. AmiPDF features (buggy) document Zooming and thumbnails. MorphOS has APDF which doesn't have as polished front end and features. Both feature font anti-aliasing.

USB support on MorphOS is through Chris Hodges' excellent Poseidon USB stack and Ambient has Trident Prefs integrated into it too. This is simply the best stack around and has the most comprehensive support for USB. The last OS4 Pre-Release redressed some of the balance but MorphOS has the upper hand here.

Both OS's have 3D graphics card support with Warp3D wrapper.

Both OS's have good sound support through the just released, AHI 6. Although there seems to be more AHI drivers for OS4 at the moment.

Both OS's have excellent 2D graphics card support. OS 4 has Picasso96 (my personal favourite) and MorphOS has Cybergraphics 5. OS4 also features screen dragging!

On the internet front, Roadshow is included with OS 4 and it is shaping up to be a very competent TCP/IP stack. MorphOS has the EZTCP in development. You can use Genesis or Miami in the mean time but they are 68K so are not native. I will say that using MorphOS, IBrowse 2.3 on the internet with Genesis seems faster and more responsive than using IBrowse 2.3 on OS 4.0. IBrowse 2.3 seems a little sluggish on OS 4 but I *think* this may be due to the 68K compatibility. MorphOS has better 68k legacy support at the moment. It handles older programs with a better level of compatibility.

The Pegasos II hardware is very impressive for the price to power ratio with 1Ghz G4 PowerPC. It seems a better build quality than my MicroA1. It certainly more expandable with 2x DDR DIMM slots and 4x PCI slots and it is not much larger in form factor. Its also available whereas you cannot buy AmigaOnes at this time. Pegasos features SmartFirmware and the AmigaOne UBoot, both boot their respective operating systems very quickly.

Software support is still gaining pace on both machines. OS4 seems to have more utlities ATM on OS4Depot. MorphOS seems to better catered for in the game department. Notable titles that I wish were available for OS4 are Quake III and Virtual Grand Prix 2. Both games are very fast and extremely impressive on the Pegasos II.

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Pegasos II with a 1Ghz G4 costs 415¤. It runs Linux without DMA problems or modified drivers, has ethernet gigabit, a 1Ghz G4 with Altivec, uses cheap DDR RAM (doesn't require expensive registered SDRAM), has 3 PCIs and 1AGP, it is microATX so it fits nicely towers, it is not picky with PSUs, etc... IMHO hardware wise it's superior to the MicroA1, but on the other hand OS4 is very nice and we don't know what hardware may run OS4 in the future (it may be better than PegII but Genesi isn't sleeping).

MorphOS is more mature and compatible with 68k/WarpOS/powerUP and also partially with OS4... but it's development is too slow. OS4 on the other hand progresses a lot faster and has some very nice features like integrated TCP/IP stack, altivec support,...

Unfortunately you can't buy G4 AmigaOnes now. Even getting a microA1 will be difficult ...

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