I read on MorphOS 1.5 for Efika news thread that people claims at MorphOS and AROS as foreign OSes.

I think that expanding point of views and increasing mutual know-how, experiences of use on all Amiga-like systems and a general spirit of brotherhood will help us growing up together and became more mature.

Even as Morphos user and belonging to blue party I ask you all to moderate your flamish posts, and begin to start thinking on a factual base, despite of the party or despite choices you made.

For example I have no interest in Efika, because I already own a Pegasos.

However in a recent future for example I also could buy a Samantha board and allow compatibility with AOS 4.0 joining the two Amiga platforms together via ehternet.

Why not? It is just a viable opportunity.

Remember that in both camps (AmigaOS and MorphOS) we need to increase userbase by collecting again old Amiga users. Efika could made this miracle. It has good price tag.

More! We need to ENLARGE our userbase, and then Samantha or Panda, could made this miracle, in parallel with Efika, because these new platforms have better features than Efika, and could sustain the Amigan line of front from another side of the vaste battlefield which is the WORLDWIDE COMPUTER MARKET.

I salute the incoming of two different platforms, either from blue camp and red camp, because having two living platforms, will help us survive.

God wanted Amiga divided in two camps.

Darwinian selection gave us a vaste choice of Classic Amiga heirs (AmigaOS, MorphOS, AROS, Amithlon, WinUAE) demonstrating that Amiga is alive and vital, evolving and spreading.

All Amiga evolutions entered 21th century and they accepted to sustain frontally a camp-battle with "really alien" OSes such as Windows, Linux, MacOS.

Point your eyes where the real "alien", the real "enemy" stands.


And remember this obvious fact: Diversification is vitality.

Efika and Samantha are not direct opponents. They have different characteristics aiming at different markets. They could be opponents only in a little segment of Amiga market, that is almost irrilevant.
About embedded market, they have different horsepower, different sizes and different characteristics (even different connecting ports) which prevents each other to compete.

Efika is aimed to furnish small development platforms for PPC programmers and coders of big boss mainframes and tiny tiny embedded PPC devices. It is aimed at vaste market of automotive solutions.

Samantha with its onboard connector for paychecking peripherals it is aimed at vaste market of POS (point of sales) devices.


Remember also how many things and features, and programs actual AmigaOSes share!

MorphOS advancements help AmigaOS to grew up, became rich and wealthy and vice versa.

Think at Hollywood program.

It has started becoming an interstandard Visual programming interface for all Amiga-Like OSes, including AmigaOS 4.0, AmigaOS classic, MorphOS, AROS X86 and WarpUP standard of PPC executables.

Sputnik browser it is on the way for MorphOS and could lead AWeb to became KHTML compatible, or perhaps Sputnik itself could be ported into AmigaOS.

For example Alfred Faust Bars'n'Pipes was ported first on MorphOS and then to AmigaOS 4.0.

See on Aminet how many ubiquitous applications and libraries are available Amiga multiOS...

This for example posted on 21 november:

http://aminet.net/dev/c/vbcc_PosixLib.lha

(Look at its fully colored compatibility list of AmigaOSes icons)

A very satisfaction to see that!


In the end of my thread I feel to ask you all to reconsider you points of view. We are not talibans or racist or terrorists, or devotees of apartheid laws.

We have a road to walk together to reach promised lands. Let's do walk in peace and brotherhood.

I have a dream!

AmigaOS machines sharing their cores with MorphOS and vice versa.

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@Raffaele

Well I am more or less with you.
If all the people who seem to be bored and comment on everything that moves would put their energy in working together it would be a beautifull (amiga)world. That's why I subscribed inhere anyway almost 3 years ago. Because of it's name "Amigaworld" I tought it would cover it more or less complete, and to the people who say it was OS4-only ... even the first pre-release wasn't out back then. And what MorphOS concerns, I even wasn't aware what it was untill someone with a Peg showed up in the Belgian Amigaclub and I asked him to show me how it worked. Looked as a viable alternative to me. Now three years later there are three Morphosusers in our club, one from Holland, one from Belgium and one from france who lives in Belgium. And guess what I never saw someone argue in a negative way and I never got complaints from each other side. And yes there are OS4-users in our club, people who only fiddle with the classics, UAE-users,...

In the end we will be all the same community again but there are rotten apples in every community and as stated in a certain heavily moderated news-item: the percentage of untolerant people is not that big. They just seem to be everyware.

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@Raffaele

I own an XE, Spiced-upA1200,A500etc and have no "enemies". Even some Windows guys come to play Deluxe Galaga etc... because it is just better on the Amiga.
This thing between the platforms are really immature. I just think os4 is the best! Somebody can think else, so what! (We are on an Amiga site.)

I know half of the things don't work but which do, they work really good&fast and I hope the progress continues and will support Hyperion 100% for the job.

Best Regards for all Amiga-Related platforms.

@Raffaele

Well said.

I think there is room for friendly rivalry between the "camps" but the constant exchange of flames we get at the moment helps no-one.

We can accomplish far more if we work together - for example if applications are made available for the whole Amiga OS family instead of just one branch of it, then all can be made stronger.

@Raffaele

Go Raffaele Go!!!

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I think Amigaworld should be very fine for this job, ofcours some very noisy persons are going to cry all over but hey it's to late anyway.

And the MorphOS community now has a big advantage I think ... +/- 200 Euro for a bundle with Efika sure is going to attract more talented developing people with a small budget compared to OS4 and it's current situation. I have a µA1 and I really start to have mixed feelings about it... you know the " I want to believe but I can't see"-feeling ?

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@Raffaele

Couldn't have put it better myself, its about time the Amiga communities put their difference aside and united for the one big cause.
I remember when MorphOS first appeared for the phase 5 powerup boards the only reason I didn't try it was because I had already purged the powerup librarys for warpos so that I could play the likes of heretic II. I don't know much about MorphOS now but I think its about time any incompatabilities between it and OS4 are sorted out and both teams work together for the greater good.

@Aminicle

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Aminicle wrote: And guess what I never saw someone argue in a negative way and I never got complaints from each other side.

Keyboard warriors my friend, keyboard warriors.

@Raffaele

That post's vision is exactly the sort of cooperation I would like to see transpiring in the future and what I have been arguing for for a long time now. I don't think myself to be a great thinker, but I do know that there more members here and elsewhere who hold your ideas to be virtuous.

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@Raffaele

I think that less problems would happen if the programs were available for *all* amiga-like platforms (and official ones of course).

Some programs are released for OS4/MOS and could be released for 680x0 directly because JITs are very fast anyway.

For programs that require more speed it's more important to make the developer job easier and as an example we have the excellent work done by one of AmigaWorld moderators: Zero-hero. He has created crosscompilers for Linux/windows so you can compile amiga apps in your laptop. You can try out your programs on UAE or AROS and if the programs work correctly you can compile MorphOS/OS4/AROS versions.

But I think that sometimes a 68k binary may be enough. If you create your program in a modular way and use shared libraries it can work in all amiga platforms

I think that WarpOS is also a good idea to make our apps work in all PPC amigas.

A WarpOS crosscompiler may be nice as WOS binaries run in OS4/MOS/OS3.9

It would be nice to have crosscompilers for OS4/MOS that allowed the coder to create binaries for the other system easily.

The conflict depends heavily on developers. If developers release software that works in all amiga platforms the problems will be gone.


SDI-headers are a good choice to make your software work in all Amiga-like systems.

The approach "I'm going to release my software just for OS4 (or MOS) so users switch to my favourite solution if they want to run my software" won't work to kill the other OS because the situation is too bad.

Users who decide to leave MOS/OS4 won't jump to the other ship, they'll jump to the Windows/Mac/linux one, they'll probably won't be back because they'll be tired of stupid fights.

Developers should try to stay neutral.

I think that the easiest way to make everyone happy is to release 680x0 binaries instead of MOS/OS4 ones. You can add OS detection code to call optimized OS4/MOS OS libraries (like AmiNetRadio does to create its gui without square window borders)

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@Crumb

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I think that the easiest way to make everyone happy is to release 680x0 binaries instead of MOS/OS4 ones. You can add OS detection code to call optimized OS4/MOS OS libraries (like AmiNetRadio does to create its gui without square window borders)

Hmm... well the JIT may be fast but providing applications only in a 68k form doesn't seem very future proof. Using cross-compilers to provide multiple versions sounds good though.

@Crumb

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The conflict depends heavily on developers. If developers release software that works in all amiga platforms the problems will be gone.

Ah come on. It's pretty easy to mark the software developers as the bad boys! But why?

As an software developer (not AmigaOS or clones) it's MY (or the company that i work for) decision which OS my software support and not if it is the best for the rest of the world.
If i write an piece of software for OS4 and i can't guarantee that it works correctly under MOS or OS3.x then why should i support those two?

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@all

From my point of view, I feel that Amigaworld's effort to change tack from being a soley OS4 only site to multi-platform is a noble effort.

However, I feel that just like MorphOS users and AROS users have a site they can call "Home" i.e. expressly geared to support and promote their own platform, AmigaOS4 users should have that opportunity too.

My two pennies worth.

Mikey C

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@Mikey_C

ffs man, who the hell has ever said that this is STILL NOT OS4 focused?! Is this what all of you discuss and get anxious about in the dark recesses on IRC?

And thanks for fanning the flames. Sometimes I wonder why I ever waste my time on this site. FFS.

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@Bodie_CI5

It isn't Soley OS4 focused anymore

thats the point I am making.

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@Mikey_C

wtf are you talking about? A couple of threads, a couple of news articles and everyone starts crying. A 95% majority of threads and articles (although in dribs and drabs because NO hardware and no OS4 on the horizon) and people get stroppy about AW and not at Hyperion/AINc and Eyetech. I swear sometimes I feel I should just post the original Redhouse Q&A... you know the one, where he blames the demise of the A1 on US USERS, just so people can wake up.) In any case, as I had told you before, why weren't ALL the other AOS users banned back in the "good old days"?! And it is now that everyone decides to leave because the place isn't "friendly". What ####, the flame wars in the "good old days" were much worse than the petty squabbling of today, but it seems that some of us THRIVE ON FLAMING. No one has ever answered that for me. It is always averted. You were a mod Mikey, how come you never banned those who did not fit your, or those of your ilk's, credo? I'm so sick of all this agoraphobic BS that some of you display, it is very tiresome, boring and childish. Tell me, now that you're here: let's discuss something about OS4 and the A1 that has NOT been discussed to death before. And leave the politics at the door. I bet there isn't one single facet which hasn't already been discussed (apart from dev topics).

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@Bodie_CI5

Well you have your point of view and I have mine. In the old days when I first became a mod MOS news articles were a no no, they were not allowed, because it went against this site's stance.

Similarly, we didn't allow the evangalism of MOS/AROS on Amigaworld that there is now. Sure we may have lived in our own little world, but at least it was cosy and if we wanted to know about things happening outside our little world we could go elsewhere to find it. Now we only have to come here to hear about other platforms etc.

I know of many MOS/AROS users who are delighted that Amigaworld is now "Amigaworld" a place where everyone can come together. That isn't what I signed up for.

In the end I am now only a user/member you guys run the site as you see fit.

I am just giving you my opinion. Already, hnl_dk has left and many others have had enough but that's okay cos you have had a new influx of new people with different views, you can afford to loose a couple of die hards

IMHO

Mikey C

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TakeOver

Our firmware could help Samantha. We would be happy to do the port and license it at low single digits at copy. Amigos!? Amigas?!

R&B

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Yeah! Let's be the brotherhood of love!

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@Raffaele

For a long time I was only interested in AOS4, MorphOS seemed to be "not quite complete" and my impression was that MorphOS/Pegasos people were rabid flame monkeys.

Over time I saw many AOS4 prereleases but disappointed there was no final release, then eventually I decided to buy Amiga1 hardware anyway but it wasn't possible!!

I ended up buying a Pegasos mainly to run my 68k software and joined MorphZone. I discovered that MorphOS users are generally reasonable and very open to co-operation with "other" Amiga OSes. Now my viewpoint is the other way and it seems that there is more antagonism from AW.net users!

Anyway, let's forget all this past nonsense. Amigans should get together despite which platform they use.
One way to do that is to have a common base, for example MUI or Feelin. In the Linux world KDE and Gnome co-exist; KDE users can run Gnome programs and vice-versa. I don't see why we have to be so isolated from each other.

cheers

koan

Should we start a petition online?