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The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 17:59:25
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| I have be an Amiga fan for many moons now starting back in the late 80's with my first Amiga 500 with 1.2 Kickstart and Workbench. As the years went by I bought an Amiga 1500/2000 and then an Amiga 4000. I had bought several upgrades for each of these machines from extra floppy drives to graphic cards, hard drives to accelerators.
My A4000 ended up in a large tower case with cd rom 6 gig hard drive 114Mb memory, 233Mhz ppc/25Mhz 040 and the CyberPPC card runing OS3.9. The 25Mhz 040 was a bit of a down grade at the time as I did have a 40Mhz 040 GVP board fitted prior to the PPC upgrade but at the time the 40Mhz with PPC was not being made due to shortages and I just couldn't justify the price of the 060 version. I still have this machine along with a desktop A4000 complete with the GVP 040 card, the A2000 and two A500's one plus model and a 1.2 model (not the origional I bought), all still working.
As the years passed by Commodore fell and as we all know Amiga went from hand to hand with a lot of false promises. Then along came Amiga as we know it today and the AmigaOne was anounced. At this time I had finaly given in to the PC world and bought a 750Mhz PIII with windows, it was a top spec at the time and when comparing the specs with the anounced A1 board I noticed that they were almost identical with the proccesor being the only major diference, same via chips, sound memory the lot. I thought imaging AmigaOS runing on that and put myself on the list of pre orders with Eyetech.
Time then passed by and I had already upgraded my now not so high spec PC and also played around with Linux on it. At one point I had Windows, Linux and QNX complete with AmigaOS XL instaled over two harddrives but sadly one of the drives died. In this time I had also bought a nice case and parts ready for the A1 board should it ever appear.
Some more time passed and then I receaved a call saying the A1 boards are now ready along with a version of Linux (OS4 still being a long way of) and do I want to continue with the order. I said yes and asked for 512Mb of ram to go with it as this was the only thing I didn't have. A short while later my 800Mhz A1XE with 512Mb ram arrived, I carefully installed it into the case and fitted everything together. After checking all connections and with instruction sheet and Linux disk at hand I powered up.
Next came the software setup starting with uboot. With all settings complete I inserted the disk and booted. The Linux install seemed quite straight forward and a while later I was looking at a familiar desktop (having used Linux before). I had already set up an Internet account on my PC so I was able to get on the net and apply to the A1 support list. At the time I was lucky to ever get an Email and when I logged on for the first time after and saw 40 plus waiting to be read I was quite amazed.
By now the short comings of the A1 were now being felt as we had to switch of DMA there was no sound without a thirdparty board and the ethernet was a bit dodgy along with the USB. Patches and upgrades came available and things slowly got better until I lost another harddrive this time the one in my A1. At this point I had reduced my PC back to just windows and another complete upgrade from 1.4Ghz to 2.2Ghz which is where it stands today and the second hard drive moved to the A1.
OS4 finally drops through the letter box and I thought this is it, what I have been waiting for all this time. Having failed to get Linux up and running again I wiped the drive and installed OS4. It loaded in no time at all just a few minutes and I was rebooting to the good old Amiga Workbench. Wow I thought this is fast the only time I had ever seen windows and icons pop up this fast before was on OS XL but this had the edge just a little. Things were a little basic but it was Amiga OS and that was all that was important. I registered with Hyperion and had just upgraded to broadband in time for update 1.
Things were looking rosey and each uptate went without hitch I was having the odd crash but nothing in compared to what some of you poor folks were having even 3D worked straight away though joysticks within update 4 were a bit hit and miss. Things were so good and with update 4 running so well I invested in my first peace of Amiga software in some time which was Ibrowse 2.4. This was just before Christmas and I was able to access more sites than ever, I was even able to pay for Ibrowse using Paypal with the demo version this was something I could never do on the A1 before.
Its Christmas morning and I thought I would have a quick look in here when I saw those words its done. Great I though my first Chrismas present is to be OS4 final release. I down loaded it and made a cd using my PC then saved any settings I thought I may need (I did forget my user-starup though) and reset the machine to boot the cd. The fist few attempts failed just after the local and keyboard settings so I powered down for a while and then tried againg. It worked and I was soon looking a a fresh new install of OS4 final. The first thing I did was to adjust the monitor settings to get the best from my display and upon saving the machine locked up. after rebooting I was faced with a low colour stippled workbench and going back to devs/monitors there were now two files as somehow the monitor settings had been split. I deleted one and re-typed all the settings back into the real file and saved, this time it worked and my workbench was back to full colour. After this I got back on line (no problems there) and loaded my copy of Ibrowse this is where things just started going down hill as I kept getting endless DSI errors. I tried the version that came with OS4 final but no change there, I then tried Aweb and it was a little better but still crashed now and then. Then the workbench itself started doing the same and even the grim reaper crashed itself. All in all things are now not going so well and my OS4 bubble has burst leaving me very down. I have no idea why its all gone so wrong apart from maybe the new memory system and my ram. Is there going to be some kind of fix or will I have to wait for somthing else, new hardware maybe but if its not faster and more up to date I probably will not waist any more money. I am now at a complete loss of what to do and I am wondering whether it was all worth it. Well this is my story so far, how are things going for all you folks out there I hope your having better luck than I am right now. |
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debrun
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:06:32
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| @Arnie
Actually at least you have the goods to play with.
I'm far worse off than you! All I have are screenshots and some Google videos of OS4 to slobberate over. Can't wait to see what happens next with the hardware! _________________ If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:06:42
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| @Arnie
Received my first DSI when I tried to install Deluxe Paint V. I understand that the DPIV works though. ( will look for the old copy).
Other than that, a fresh install worked fine.
Don't give up Matey!
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:12:18
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| @Arnie
I'm surprised you had all these problems as everything worked fine for me. I booted off the CD using the UBoot menu to set the boot device to CDROM. Next I backed up and wiped my system partition and double-clicked install. Everything worked just fine.
It looks like most people that have been having trouble have tried to install it without deleting their old update4 install.
Hope you manage to get the problem sorted. Not sure what could be causing it though. Was your old OS4 install working properly?
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:16:59
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Thats sad to hear, there are still many people such as youself I hope the 2007 announcments bring good news for you all (and me aswell maybe).
Edit.. Still can't spell! Last edited by Arnie on 30-Dec-2006 at 06:23 PM.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:20:49
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I deleted my install once the boot cd reahed the workbench then continued the OS final intsall. I have even deleted it all again this morning and started again but still the same problems. |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:37:15
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| @Arnie And your battery is working ok? Because i have heard it first start acting up when voltage get low and then in the end it wont boot at all. And what is the specs of your machine? Last edited by Tomas on 30-Dec-2006 at 06:38 PM.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:42:57
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| @Arnie
Pity. If that had been the problem, the fix would have been easy. I guess the next thing to do would be to check your UBoot version, check that the RAM in your A1 is firmly in it's socket, etc.
After that we can have a look at which cards/peripherals you have installed. I'm using an SII680 card for IDE, a Radeon 9000 for graphics and a soundblaster for audio. I can remember after OS4 update 2 one of my DVD drives stopped working and caused the system to periodically freeze for a fraction of a second. Disabling the drive cured it until a new IDE driver was published. It's possible that something you have installed that others don't is causing trouble.
There has to be a reason why you're machine is playing up when other people with the same hardware don't have any problems.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:43:30
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| @Arnie
Why don't you upgrade the 040 on your CyberstormPPC to a 68060. I did that recently. Very easy to do on a CyberstormPPC. _________________ AmigaOne-XE G3 OS 4. A4000 PPC A1200 PPC |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:45:38
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wish i could help here but i have no idea what so ever :I
though, can you run a memtest and scan the hdd's with partition wizard?
they might shed some light.
also keep in mind that several apps etc install libs into SYS: so if you wiped sys: and not the apps...the apps etc will not work unless u get hold of the libs etc again.
AH AND YES, what is your Uboot version? (number + date plz) Last edited by Toaks on 30-Dec-2006 at 06:47 PM.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 18:52:32
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| @Arnie
Try to reset you uboot to factory defaults. Helped me. Then carefully start to build them again.
check cables of hd and cd-rom (possible causes io errors). One may change them, if io errors are suspected.
check file system settings (buffers, maxtransfer, mask). You can find correct values from os4 docs, ide drivers.
try to lover udma mode for hd and chek cdrom mode allso (best pio afaik).
get md5sum of iso.lha package. Burn iso again to cd and reinstall os4.
not tested inside out, but seems to work even with my "known buggy" A1SE
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 19:00:31
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My machine is an A1XE 800Mhz (never been overclocked) 512Mb ram, ATI 9200se graphics, Soundblaster live, Sii0680 IDE card and catweasle Mk3 Uboot is 1.1.1 (march 3 2005 -16:42:53)
What memtest program do you suggest.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 19:26:24
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Your uboot is ok atleast.
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/hardware/memtester.lzx
As to other things, see what mehleto wrote as he made some very valid points about R/w problems.
Also, last resort ..try and burn the cd again and try and use a better cd...you might have bumped into some weird crc error problem with the iso and then burned it.
Best of luck m8.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 19:40:40
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I'm sorry you are having so many problems, but don't give up! I know easy for me to say. I had no problems completing a fresh install of OS4.0 Final on both an A1-XE and Micro-A1-C.
The only real hassle was getting all the additional programs and utilities working, but I'm almost there now.
It's amazing that batteries seem to fail just as you are making a big change or upgrade. Without any further information, a dodgy battery seems the most likely cause. Whatever the cause I hope you get your A1 up and running soon!
Keep the faith.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 19:47:37
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You could be on to somthing I've noticed my clock is slowly loosing time. I'll get a new battery tomorrow but will also carry out the test suggested by Toaks. Lets see what happens then. |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 20:01:23
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Here OS4 itself and IBrowse are very stable. Check your memory with memtester as suggested. Last edited by ikir on 30-Dec-2006 at 08:02 PM.
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 20:47:55
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I can only agree than 4.0 Final is as stable as Pre-release3 and 4 were. Maybe you should grab a totally clean HD and try reinstalling Pre-release 4?
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 21:10:55
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Tomas wrote: @Arnie And your battery is working ok? Because i have heard it first start acting up when voltage get low and then in the end it wont boot at all. |
What are the suggested batteries to use as a replacement in the XE? The battery is one of those cel types, isn't it? I suppose I could just pull the battery out and take it to a shop.
I've got an early-bird A1 and have never replaced my battery. To date I have not experienced any trouble with it. _________________ Moxee AmigaOne X1000 AmigaOne XE G4 I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 22:08:40
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The XE battery is a CR2032 cell type and I too have had no problems so far but mine must be getting towards the end of its life now so I'm going to change it tomorrow. I had to change my PC one a while back when it stoped booting and that was not as old as the A1 battery. |
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Re: The bubble has burst! Posted on 30-Dec-2006 22:27:11
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