Bill McEwen on OS5 in or around Oct 2007:
http://amigaweb.net/index.php?function=view_news&id=773
(bold emphasis below added by me FYI)

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OS5 scales to its host hardware, so anything from mobile phones through stbs, consoles up to servers. Initially covering software hosts Windows-D, Windows Mobile, Linux-D, Linux-E and Symbian for x86 and ARM, and possibly any high profile hardware host.

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Question from Amigaweb.net: You've claimed earlier that OS5 will be better than Mac OS X. Can you tell us in what way? Answer from Bill: Details for OS 5 will be made public in the 4th quarter of 2007, and then you will have a much clearer understanding and I will let you decide if what I know to be true is accurate. Question from Amigaweb.net: Could you give us some information, tell us about some of the features, and what the current status of OS5 is? Answer from Bill: OS 5 is ahead of schedule, and we will be making public announcements concerning the product in the 4th quarter of this year. Question from Amigaweb.net: Where is the OS5 development team located, and how many people are working on the project? Answer from Bill: The current team members are in California, Washington, Michigan, England, New Zealand, Germany and Canada. More members are being added and the team will double before the end of this year as we are moving into other areas of development.

Then there is this from Amiga.com:
http://www.amiga.com/faqs/

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Q: I have heard about something called "OS5". Is this the same thing? A: No. AA2 and the product often referred to as OS5 are entirely separate distinct products.

So the AA2 that has been seen is indeed not OS5.


Jamie Krueger, Amiga, Inc. employee giving his personal opinion on the state of the Hyperion/Amiga court case on June 12th 2009 here.:

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Meanwhile, Amiga Inc. either has to start over from AmigaOS3.x sources still heavily connected to the Amiga chipset and the MC680x0 CPUs, OR give up on using AmigaOS sources as a base OS and start over from scratch to build AmigaOS 5 and beyond. Which do you think is more likely?

Jamie's statement is in direct conflict with Bill's claims about OS5 as I read them.

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Interesting.

Let's start wild speculations!

Btw, i hope that we can get new os realease from hyperion only.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @fairlanefastback Interesting. Let's start wild speculations! Btw, i hope that we can get new os realease from hyperion only.

Well, I know what my gut feeling is.

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Yes, you were thinking what I was thinking.

The contradiction is that Bill says that they have already been working on "OS5" (i.e. not Amiga Anywhere 2) for however long he said they have, but J. Krueger said: "...and start over from scratch to build AmigaOS 5 and beyond. Which do you think is more likely".

Maybe they have started the kernel or even finished it.

He is under NDA, so is not allowed to disclose details about what they are doing. Maybe he said the above not actually referring to the future plans as to the kernel, but trying to give us a piece of information about a kernel they have worked on, without putting it as a fact. He could have been asking you to use your common sense to work out what Amiga Inc did when they tackled the kernel for their operating system. NDA legally stopped him from saying they actually started a new kernel. Maybe the message he was trying to convey was Amiga Inc started a new OS from scratch.

His regard for Bill could mean that Bill has done some good for Amiga, i.e has caused work on NG Amiga to be accomplished. Remember, he went in there a couple of years ago, and two years later he seems to respect him.

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@Al4

Unfortunately your theory does not work too well. The tense of Jamie's statement, by using "has to" clearly implies Amiga, Inc. has not yet tackled this very basic issue for the OS.

He also clearly implies that the desire is to work from the OS4 sources that they have no access to. And that said, the court case even revealed Amiga, Inc. did not have all the OS3.x sources either for that matter. Hyperion had to obtain the missing code themselves. And Jamie really downplays the possibility that Amiga, Inc. would totally start from scratch.

Yet Bill said in late 2007 that the team spanned a bunch of locations across the globe and was ahead of schedule??

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Yes I know...

He wouldn't be allowed to give us any information on it though, any actual details. Maybe asking a question as "has to" is a deliberate avoidance of saying they have done so.

OK, he has worked there for two years. He has surely been doing some work for future Amiga stuff. How about he has made an IDE for OS5? How about he has been working on making the OS itself? Other than that, he could have been doing AA2, but that seemed not very advanced for 2 years work.

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Details for OS 5 will be made public in the 4th quarter of 2007,

I'm struggling hard to get 6 months of venture funding for a new startup I'm launching in a horrible economy...


And yet Bill and company goes on for years, chewing through cash, and producing nothing...


If nothing else, Amiga Inc. is truly incredible in their ability to keep the lights on, in the absence of anything produced for years at a time.

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Al4 wrote: @fairlanefastback Yes I know... He wouldn't be allowed to give us any information on it though, any actual details. Maybe asking a question as "has to" is a deliberate avoidance of saying they have done so. OK, he has worked there for two years. He has surely been doing some work for future Amiga stuff. How about he has made an IDE for OS5? How about he has been working on making the OS itself? Other than that, he could have been doing AA2, but that seemed not very advanced for 2 years work.

He didn't have to say anything about OS5 at all. No one asked him about OS5. He said what he said that he felt does not violate his NDA. That does not mean it has some double meaning.

Why are you so desperately looking for a way to give it some hidden meaning?

Jamie said this about his current work:

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as a full time regular employee of Amiga Inc. I write what they want written, just like working for anyone else.

It seems more reasonable he would have been involved in stuff we know about, rather than the OS5 he strongly implies (IMO) does not exist. Stuff like what you have for your avatar, Snowmanmaker, Tipcalc, AA2 (which remains unfinished last we knew, so it would seem more time is needed on that if anything).

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jingof wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Details for OS 5 will be made public in the 4th quarter of 2007, I'm struggling hard to get 6 months of venture funding for a new startup I'm launching in a horrible economy... And yet Bill and company goes on for years, chewing through cash, and producing nothing... If nothing else, Amiga Inc. is truly incredible in their ability to keep the lights on, in the absence of anything produced for years at a time.

Email these guys:
http://www.asseco.com/
(formerly Prokom)

Thats where Amiga, Inc. got a huge infusion of cash from in 2005. They hardly seem to care much about their ROI.

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Off-subject, but I think the best Amiga thing right now is AROS. Its' free, it's almost a useable OS and it's like OS3 but better. Also, PPC is not looking good, considering IBM' lack of support for it anymore.

Could AROS offer what Bill McEwen claims OS5 will do? If/when it is can run on ARM, it will be a question of drivers for it to run on small devices.

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Lol, too bad I can't insert "X-Files" theme in this thread. There's no real conspiracy here, even though it is kinda fun to guess what's going on here with OS5 and Amiga, Inc.. What's going on with them is just AA2 and phone games, nothing else. Amiga, Inc. needs hardware to run their imaginary OS. They don't have it, nor do they have an OS.

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Al4 wrote: Off-subject, but I think the best Amiga thing right now is AROS. Its' free, it's almost a useable OS and it's like OS3 but better. Also, PPC is not looking good, considering IBM' lack of support for it anymore. Could AROS offer what Bill McEwen claims OS5 will do? If/when it is can run on ARM, it will be a question of drivers for it to run on small devices.

Anubis OS will use AROS source and Linux kernal together to negate the driver issue.

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jingof wrote: I'm struggling hard to get 6 months of venture funding for a new startup I'm launching in a horrible economy... And yet Bill and company goes on for years, chewing through cash, and producing nothing...

These kind of comments just plain make me mad! Produced nothing?!? Have you even seen their super sweet "Tip Calculator'? Have you even TRIED there super awesome 'Snowman' generator?!?

No sir, I think you have not!

"Cool Tools" for LIFE!!!!


( No sarcasm here!! )

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Anubis OS will use AROS source and Linux kernal together to negate the driver issue.

Will the graphics system be better than X, which draws the screen in blocks? (I read that Anubis will have its own video and sound setup, not X and ALSA.)

Are you a team member?

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Will the graphics system be better than X, which draws the screen in blocks? (I read that Anubis will have its own video and sound setup, not X and ALSA.)

I say you read it wrong then. It will have a chopped down X system to take full advantage of the massive amount of gfx drivers, both 2D and 3D drivers. You do want accelerated graphics drivers, right? Let us not confuse the bloat of Gnome/KDE with how fast X can truly be.

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Let us not confuse the bloat of Gnome/KDE with how fast X can truly be.

X doesn't need Gnome/KDE to be bloated. It is bloated by design...

Using Linux kernel as a base is one thing. Using Linux kernel + X is just making another Linux distribution...

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Maybe they have started the kernel or even finished it.

Who is "they" ?

I don't see anyone but Bill McE... Seeing how does their website look, I think he also does that too...

You don't need more than one people to run a website and post (false) anouncements once a year...

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X doesn't need Gnome/KDE to be bloated. It is bloated by design... Using Linux kernel as a base is one thing. Using Linux kernel + X is just making another Linux distribution...

That's your opinion. Feel free not to try it, if it ever comes out.

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I don't see anyone but Bill McE... Seeing how does their website look, I think he also does that too...

No. That was contracted out in order to have the Amiga.com site have the same look of the amigadevindia site. Not commenting on -that- look, just saying how it came to be...

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