Was thinking about this on the bus to work this morning. With the reuniting of the Commodore and Amiga branding, so far lots of people have focused on the negative. However, by doing so, are we missing out on a great opportunity for the X1000? Let me explain what I mean.

Way I see it now, X1000 has the custom hardware and the official AmigaOS. Commodore USA has the Commodore and Amiga branding. I think X1000 will sell decently well as it stands, but what about if it could be sold as the Commodore Amiga X1000.

Think about it, what's really stopping this happening. It wouldn't be too much to come to some sort of branding deal with CommodoreUSA so that X1000 was sold under the Commodore Amiga brand. A-eon would still control the hardware, Hyperion would still control the OS, the only change would be that they could be sold under the Commodore Amiga name. There wouldn't be much risk to the parties involved, in fact it would benefit them all.

Return of brand + custom hardware + newest official OS, sounds like a good deal to me. What do you think. Commodore Amiga X1000 for the win?

...and 30-40% share of the income for Commodore USA because of the Amiga label

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@nimrod7

Dunno about 30%-40%, but even a 10% cut would be a couple hundred dollars extra on the price tag. The X1000 is already pretty expensive as it is, adding more costs doesn't sound like a good idea.

@nimrod7
No need for that much money to be given way. Like I said, it benefits all parties. Commodore USA are much more likely to build a good name for themselves by selling an official AmigaOS system. It would cover the boutique/high end market, whereas the other machines could cover those on a tighter budget.

@CodeSmith
Who says it has to be a cut, it could be a one off deal. In any case, CommodoreUSA is a new company, it'd be worth them doing a deal for market prestige alone, though obviously some money will be involved too.

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Okay, let me word this in another way. Most of the points raised so far have concerned financial implications. It's pretty clear to me that all parties will sell more by collaborating, but obviously the proposed deal has to be reasonable, considering limited funds.

So my question is now this. IF (that's a big if!) a licencing deal between Commodore USA and A-Eon could be ironed out in a way that everyone was happy, would you welcome the move? I'm not asking you to hope that it happens (there's too much uncertainty about the proposal for me to ask that), and I'm not asking you to be armchair economists, but just a question about whether you'd see the bringing together of the Commodore + Amiga + AmigaOS brand as a good thing.

I like the thought of Commodore Amiga X1000, seems like a good way to enhance the X1000's profile.

Your thoughts?

Thanks again.

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@HenryCase

Heh, I was about to post a similar suggestion:

(Assuming that AInc can license their Amiga trademark for that purpose) the only way Commodore USA can turn this licensing agreement into a win/win/win proposition would be for them to license the Fantasy case design, OS4.1, and then produce the Fantasy case with SAM 440/Flex/460 motherboards inside.

They still could sell empty Fantasy cases to those who want to build an AROS system, but at least the complete system as sold by C-USA would then be in agreement with everybody.

The Fantasy case isn't suitable for the X1000 board, ATX format, needs a gfx card, leaving no room for anything else. And it makes more sense to have the cheaper SAM in a wedge and the expensive X1000 in a big box.

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Yes, to all of the above. Bring together all the 'divisions', market the Commodore Amiga X1000, market a new wedge running a SAM; both great ideas. I'm not sure how realistic any of this is but it sounds great from a sales and marketing perspective :)

No. It's all a scam. Let the "Commodore USA" name die.

@HenryCase

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Commodore USA has the Commodore and Amiga branding

Hold it right there. I cannot see how we can be sure of this. It looks like another dodgy AInc. deal with an individual. The only company that has any branding backed by court is Hyperion.

Hyperion have the OS branding with regards to the Amiga name - we need nothing else.

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And Id REALLY like to see the X1000 as Commodore Amiga X1000

And I want a C64 box with a 8bit FPGA C64 inside. (As Ive stated multiple times

@HenryCase

Why not Aeon and Hyperion Talks with Commodore and Amiga Inc, and simply get the license for "Commodore" and "Amiga" names? Isn´t more easy?

@HenryCase

I had also thought about something along these lines. I do like the sound of Commodore Amiga X1000. But....

There's something about it that I don't like... let me explain:

As you know, Amiga was once an independent company, that was then purchased by Commodore. Commodore's influence on the Amiga, were almost entirely negative, from misunderstanding the potential of "multimedia", to canceling great projects like the A3000+.

After all these years, Amiga is finally out from underneath oppressive overseers and looking at a potentially bright future. And without the negative associations of the past, that only did the brand harm. To repeat the mistake of marrying Commodore and Amiga brands, only seems like a bad omen and a reminder of what a disaster that marriage turned out to be. So, even if feasible (big IF), maybe it is best not to repeat the mistakes of the past and associate the two brands this time around.

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@HenryCase
And why exactly do you even have faith in a company that cannot design a website, illegally stole images from google, and even stole the legal threat they used against osnews yesterday.

This company looks like a scam to me...

@Tomas

For the record we did contact Hyperion/A-Eon way before we contacted Amiga Inc.
They still have every opportunity to work with us... of course.

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I would not mind "Commodore Amiga x1000".
We need co-operation to accelerate our niche R&D.

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@BigBentheAussie
As I love custom HW (and as I said elsewhere already) I would very much like a Commodore AmigaOne machine (specially if it's an X500 using the Phoenix design) cooperation would be much better than competition.

Feel free to quote me with Hyperion

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@BigBentheAussie
So what is up with the stolen images and stolen legal threat?? You keep ignoring that topic...
The reason people are skeptical is because of those reasons as well as a website that looks highly unprofessional. It is kinda hard to believe in a company that does such ####.

@HenryCase

I don't want to see 1 cent go to AInc period !!!..heck I don't even want to get AROS entangled with that joke of a company never mind A-Eon/Hyperion and the new X1000.....we want to get away from that past mess and start fresh and new.......bring back Commodore AmigaOne X1000 I say...we have no need for AInc at all

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I only see an opportunity for Ainc to get royalties, no thank you.

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