Hi everyone,

I use to be the proud owner of a G4 Pegasos 2 it was an amazing bit of kit, what I loved about it was the fact I could tinker with MorphOS and AmigaOS. Sadly I parted ways with my Peg2, but I have the AmigaOS bug again, and really would love a NEW machine just like the Pegasos.

The X1000 is awesome but so is the price and to be honest I would only seriously consider one if I could run both operating systems. However if a Sam460 could do the above mentioned I would look there before the X1000 simply because the price is more enticing.

I really think unless Genesi brought out a Pegasos 3, or the MorphOS team played nice and made there lovely MorphOS run on the Sam460, the Sam460 could really pass as a reincarnation of the Pegasos.

The Sam 460 is an acceptable bit of hardware to run both operating systems, and at a stretch priced affordably to the point if both operating systems run on it I would consider purchasing one. Come on MorphOS team bring that lovely OS to the Sam460

What does everyone think???

I say bring on Pegasos 3!

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@Fairdinkem

Pegasos3 would be nice, but its production stopped because it was not that RoHS compliant crap non-sense, if I recall correctly.

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@Phantom

There is NO pegasos 3, only pegasos 2

He wishes that bPlan could produce more/new ppc hardware, again.

Last edited by utri007 on 08-Oct-2012 at 10:46 AM.

@utri007

I know there's NO Pegasos3.

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@Fairdinkem

MOS already has a large selection of very cheap hardware you can run it on.

A more sensible solution would be to port AmigaOS 4 to PPC Mac hardware like MOS already has. You could run both OSes on then.

Porting MOS to Sam460 doesn't make much sense, who would buy it when you can get something more powerful to run it for at least a quarter of the price?

Last edited by danwood on 08-Oct-2012 at 10:51 AM.

@Fairdinkem

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F I really think unless Genesi brought out a Pegasos 3, .... What does everyone think??? I say bring on Pegasos 3!

The demand was not big enough and Freescale had no interests in a new ODW from Genesi.

the last things Genesi tried with PPC:

This could have been a model for a Pegasos3 http://bbrv.blogspot.ch/2007/03/argo-navis.html
Genesis tried to build some interest for Efika and Netbook / Nettop like hardware, some might remember the Cherrypal ar the later Limebook.

The old 400$ Pegasos-II would have been to expensive so Genesi tried to keep up interest in PPC desktop with a cheaper SoC proposal hardware: http://bbrv.blogspot.ch/2008/10/varoom-8610-with-altivec.html but only with little results.

And here is something I would call "last chance of PPC hardware from Genesi" http://bbrv.blogspot.ch/2009/11/power2people-mpc8610.html Hyperion never said Yes or No for a possible AOS4 port and it did not get much support from the so called "Amiga community"

And some of you might remember the fall of the TerraSoft YDL Power Station it had 2 dual core G5 CPUs clocked with 2,5Ghz and sold for a price around the later A1X1K. There was no economical interest for keeping up the production. I have heard some hardware developer that worked for Genesi / BPlan before where involved into the development of the YDL workstation.

It looks like the ship for Genesi + PPC has sailed long ago.


Corrected spelling

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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@danwood

Yes they have got MOS on cheap hardware and the performance is good, but the hardare is old and second or third hand. I want shiny new hardware that is as close to modern as possible like for instance I can put a brand new 7series ati graphics card in a sam460 thanks to Hans and A-Eon. Sata 2 hard drives etc.

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@Fairdinkem

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Fairdinkem wrote: @danwood Yes they have got MOS on cheap hardware and the performance is good, but the hardare is old and second or third hand. I want shiny new hardware that is as close to modern as possible.

There are some nice AROS systems out there, and they are build around shiny modern CPUs that where not hidden some years in dusty drawers. You will hardly find someone building powerful PPC systems for AOS4 or MOS for acceptable prices.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Fairdinkem

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I really think unless Genesi brought out a Pegasos 3, or the MorphOS team played nice and made there lovely MorphOS run on the Sam460, the Sam460 could really pass as a reincarnation of the Pegasos.

Though I agree it would be nice to have a Pegassos 3, I disagree with your choice of a Sam460!

For one thing, both the AmigaOne and Pegasos lines used a Book3S type CPU where as the Sam uses a a Book3E type CPU. IOW, one is for server/desktop and other is embedded. The Sam series uses an embedded CPU and this places more restrictions on the software and hardware. For one thing they are usually slower. A 460 barely beats a 1Ghz G4. The other thing is they tend to miss AltiVec. A third is that they differ from a G4 so much that, as an example, WarpOS software that works on a G3/G4 will break on a Sam. As well as other software not supported like some CPU dockies. So an AMCC 460 is like a fast G3 but not quite. It's kind of like comparing a 68000 with a 68010 where they made SR accessablle only in super mode and therefore 68000 software could crash.

Then there is firmware, the Sam uses UBoot, the Pegasos Smart Firmware. Though I think UBoot is the better of the two.

I read ACube said the the 460 does not replace the 440 line. And either way this shows. The 460 is severly limited in expansion. IIRC you can only connect one SATA device along with using an SD card as a SSD and onboard VGA device. Or connect a SATA card.

But you can't connect a VGA card as the onboard PCIe slot cancels out the SATA port. The Pegasos had no such restrictions! Maybe the 460 can serve as an NG Efika instead!

The X1000, while not as reasonable as a Pegasos was, would be the closest to a "Pegasos 3" both in terms of hardware with expansions and that damned firmware that almost looks like a clone! Infact the Pegasos OpenFirmware OS4 bootloader would have been the basis for the X1000 one.

But right now the MorphOS team is concentrating on old obsolete Mac hardware simply because it's faster than anything new and cheaper to boot. Unfortunate yes, but unless we see start to see cheap clones of PPC chips running on A1-like PC boards with PPC CPUs, that's not likely to change.

Last edited by Hypex on 08-Oct-2012 at 12:08 PM.

@Thread

I really don`t understand this constant drive for new, more powerful hardware. OS4, MOS and AROS all have options available.

What the Amiga ecosystem really needs right now is *software* not more half-supported prestige features. Any time and effort available would be better spent in that area.

Does anyone really need a top spec GPU, CPU and SATA SSD to run Quake 3 or whatever?

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@Hypex

My point was not to suggest the Sam460 was Ideal or equal in design with the Pegasos I agree with your points totally. However you missed my point in the fact that the Sam460 is the current best option for AFFORDABLE NEW hardware that if supported by both AmigaOS and MorphOS would be awesome because one machine would allow me to experience and support both alternatives removing the need to either a) Source an old Pegasos 2 again b) Buy a second hand Mac and buy Sam or A1 or AmigaOne X1000.

Solution A) is not a real alternative to me anymore.

Solution B) is not either as I don't have room or the desire to source two machines for the job.

Last edited by Fairdinkem on 08-Oct-2012 at 12:39 PM.

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@Frags

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Does anyone really need a top spec GPU, CPU and SATA SSD to run Quake 3 or whatever?

thats why we only have Quake 3 - LOL - the hardware is too slow for anyone to bother porting anything else lol.

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@danwood
Yeah thats true, but that wouldn't be any fun,
like porting AmigaOS to a much more cheaper, common CPU architecture like the X86 so that it can run on generic Windows PC's.
I would much rather have the announced A1 netbook instead of having a Macbook running AmigaOS,
it isn't as powerful but its unique hardware that I can call an AmigaOne. :)
I'm really not bad mouthing about MorphOS running on Macbooks,
but I'm sure that Morphos fans also would like to have their own machine like the Pegasos and the Efika.

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@Frags

It is not so much about more powerful, it is more about not resuscitating old second hand hardware or sourcing old spare parts to keep machines going especially as they become rare they become expensive.

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@asymetrix

Exactly, new more powerful hardware lends itself to better software.

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@Fairdinkem

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Fairdinkem wrote: It is not so much about more powerful, it is more about not resuscitating old second hand hardware or sourcing old spare parts to keep machines going especially as they become rare they become expensive.

You can still replace your old 2nd hand PegasosII with newer 2nd hand G4 systems.

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@Hypex

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IIRC you can only connect one SATA device along with using an SD card as a SSD and onboard VGA device. Or connect a SATA card. But you can't connect a VGA card as the onboard PCIe slot cancels out the SATA port. The Pegasos had no such restrictions!

You're completly wrong, it's possible to use a RadeonHD card along with a PCI 4x o 2x SATA card (like Sil3114 or Sil3152)

From Sam460ex web page:

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Which setup are possible with the board? It's possible to use the Sam460ex in one of these setup: - PCI-Express 16x slot + PCI slot + PCI-Express 1x slot - PCI-Express 16x slot + PCI slot + SATA2 port

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@asymetrix

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@Frags Quote: Does anyone really need a top spec GPU, CPU and SATA SSD to run Quake 3 or whatever? thats why we only have Quake 3 - LOL - the hardware is too slow for anyone to bother porting anything else lol.

He, he, nice irony. Frags is right, we have a software crisis and some simple ports of "slow & old" AOS3 software would do more than shiny new 2,5 GHz G5 systems.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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@Arko

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You can still replace your old 2nd hand PegasosII with newer 2nd hand G4 systems.

True but they are not as upgradeable as a X1000 or Sam460.

These systems represent a common ground that both AmigaOS and MorphOS could exploit.

Last edited by Fairdinkem on 08-Oct-2012 at 12:49 PM.

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@asymetrix

It`s a point but I`m not sure if I buy it, OS4 in particular has hardware capable beyond the means of the software supporting it and how many people are using top spec powermac G4s and even Powerbooks with MorphOS? In all cases work on drivers and OS infrastructure will still squeeze plenty more from the hardware in time. Certainly enough to run more than Quake 3.

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