@bbrv

Just checking -- is this you on the right?

No, that's Bobson

@Rob

Way back before I got into boxing and was the size of a house... Ouch. I think I was a 40" waist back then.. I'm now a 34"

Just read back - Natami sounds interesting.. I left the Amiga scene sometime ago. Only lurk from time to time, and pop in to see mates.

@BigGun

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I agree with you that digital Joysticks where great.And if digital Competition Pros are manufactured again this will be very cool!

I guess you missed this this. They're availabl at Amiga dealers.

@Interesting

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Interesting wrote: @BigGun Quote: Remember the documented ASM listing of the Commodore Kickstart was printed and published !! that doesn't destroy the copyright ownership If Amiga Inc. was more like MS it would have clamped down on things long ago.

Shhh... they may be watching
We don't want them to spoil even more of our platform do we?

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@ReverseGTR

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ReverseGTR wrote: @Hattig Even YDL on the PS3 connected by HDMI has problems its resolutions fitting evenly on some HDTVs (ecspecially Plasmas) so we shouldn't expect NATAMI to even do as well. First thing first is to get the NATAMI to display clearly regardless of cropping. And another thing is this is not software nor are the folks making it Intel or AMD so they can't afford to create infinitely flexible hardware that can immediately diverge into different configurations. So solid goals need to be set and achieved first, what I understand it being is hardware thats 68k compliant but able to accept modern peripherals. If I am wrong somebody please explain to me in layman's terms on what the finished product is supposed to reprisent?

Nope I think you hit the nail on the head there, that is how I see it as well, and think it should be.

A modern Amiga for people to use with 2008 software and peripherals

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@Earthling

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Earthling wrote: @Interesting Quote: Interesting wrote: @BigGun [quote]Remember the documented ASM listing of the Commodore Kickstart was printed and published !! that doesn't destroy the copyright ownership If Amiga Inc. was more like MS it would have clamped down on things long ago.

Shhh... they may be watching
We don't want them to spoil even more of our platform do we?[/quote]

IIRC someone at amiga.org put up a video of or instructions on how to make a superkickstart and they were pounced on by those folks at Amiga, Inc. so rest assured they have their ear to the ground.

It's a load of crap, but there we go.

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And of course the question everyone is asking themselves, will it be no-click or click?

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@Henry




I'm working on the player object right now.
I hope to make some more progress on the weekend.
I'll keep you updated

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@BigGun

Amiga Format magazine.

January 2000

Page 14.

Article on the Koln Show.

Is that you? Second from the right?

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bbrv wrote Quote:

With time and performance (i.e., results) we hope all of our (Thomas, Gunnar, Genesi, Freescale, etc.) objectives and focus will coalesce.

Love that business speak Dilbert would be proud. Let's hope that all our independent interests can be aligned, and that we can focus our synergies on positive action!

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So i'm off the forum for couple of days and there's some 20 pages more to read of the NatAmi-thread!!!??

Have i said this before, i say it again: THIS IS GREAT!!

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@BigGun

Uh! That looks really impressive!

btw: I would love to see NATAMI with an PPC CPU and OS4... but these are just my 2 pence...

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@cHaOs667

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cHaOs667 wrote: btw: I would love to see NATAMI with an PPC CPU and OS4... but these are just my 2 pence...

Wouldn't we all.

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@Beamish2040

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Beamish2040 wrote: @cHaOs667 Quote: cHaOs667 wrote: btw: I would love to see NATAMI with an PPC CPU and OS4... but these are just my 2 pence... Wouldn't we all.

I understand that there are people wanting to use OS4.
But aren't there already PPC platforms as SAM, EFIKA, PEGASOS which are excellent suited for running OS4 ? Until OS4 is able to come out for any of these platforms, I seriously doubt that it will come out for any other platform at all. I fear it is not realistic to hope for OS4.

AROS seems the have much the higher chances to be available as the future AMIGA OS, than OS4 or MOS.

As a side note, what as a user is the main advantage of OS4?
All applications that were compiled for OS4 can certainly be compiled for OS3 too.
So if a new computer like the Natami will come out with OS3 then compiling the OS4 apps for OS3 should not take long, should n't it?


Cheers

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@BigGun

And when you throw logic like this we are defeated

@BigGun

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Until OS4 is able to come out for any of these platforms, I seriously doubt that it will come out for any other platform at all. I fear it is not realistic to hope for OS4.

A lot of effort has obviously gone into making the Natami register compatible with the classic Amiga. If similar planning were applied to the CPU expansion slot and the (potential) PPC card (so that it looks like a very fast Cyberstorm), is it possible that OS4 Classic (and MorphOS classic too) could just work? Avoiding the whole licensing nonsense entirely.

I'm not lucky enough to have access to OS4, but it seems to me that it provides more polish, improves support for modern hardware (large disks, USB stack, better memory management etc.) and API improvements.

@Biggun:

From what I have seen from Amikit (the full (over) blown OS3.9 installation) on WinUAE I only seem to miss just one piece of software, and that's a decent CSS capable Webbrowser. So, if a modern browser would be available on Natami on OS3.x I guess there's no real need for OS4. (now I will get all the OS4 users all over me... back off please... it's just an opinion of an Amiga user without OS4 capable hardware ).

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@Lozrus

OSS is the future. NATAMI and AROS look into the future.With some help people can bring USB, TCP and printing stacks to NATAMI as OSS. AROS needs love. It is open for participation.

And if companies open source their unmaintained AMIGA software, AROS has better chances to deliver more features and drivers.

I find outrageous the fact that in MORPHOS you have to pay extra money for basic functionality like USB. This is the old UNIX financial model and it is dead dead dead.

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@all interested

We just posted this image on our blog:



That is an EFIKA next to the OLPC. The new reference design we discussed today is based on the MPC5121e. The 5121e has an embedded PowerVR graphic core. The Pixel Qi display will actually ship with the reference design.

For the NATAMI, there will be some solid advantages to being indirectly associated with this development. We can use the same display. We may be able to use the same casework as the OLPC. But most of all, the development involves another Freescale processor. From our perspective, once we confirm the ColdFire can be used, we will be off to the races.

R&B

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@BigGun

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BigGun wrote: As a side note, what as a user is the main advantage of OS4? All applications that were compiled for OS4 can certainly be compiled for OS3 too. So if a new computer like the Natami will come out with OS3 then compiling the OS4 apps for OS3 should not take long, should n't it? Cheers

Personally I just want a new and updated Amiga. If it runs OS 3.9 and/or AROS that is fine with me. In the mean time I will be saving my pennies so I can buy the end product. If OS4 classic or otherwise were to function on the NATAMI that would just be icing on the cake.

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