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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 18-Apr-2011 8:08:55
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@pavlor

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@ferrels

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No one in his right mind is going to pay $3000+ USD for 7 year old technology


4 years, it is 4 years old technology!

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The price/performance ratio is just too out of line.


Considering PA6T (single core) will score at least 800 SpecInt2000 and the final price of X1000 will be around 2000 EUR - it is 0.4 SpecInt2000 per 1 EUR.

Compare it to Natami:
"68050" could be as fast as 700 MHz 68030 (according to Gunnar von Boehn) - roughly 30 SpecInt2000 (of course, I can give detailed calculations).
With price around 500 EUR - it is 0.06 SpecInt2000 per 1 EUR.

Natami will have nearly 10 times worser price/performance ratio in the CPU area than X1000!


Still to expensive...far way too much... 1000¤ is the roof of the abnormal price..

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 18-Apr-2011 8:16:23
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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@ferrels

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No one in his right mind is going to pay $3000+ USD for 7 year old technology


4 years, it is 4 years old technology!

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The price/performance ratio is just too out of line.


it's not even that, quoting Wikipedia the processor was released for worldwide sale on Q2007. Now, I really don't think every company did get the processor on date the Ctober, 2nd 2007 unless they maybe ordered 1.000.000 units.. (or even less if..)

So I would say it's a 2008 Processor which makes it a barely 3 years old CPU.. Considering a hardware company has to build, test and debug a motherboard on top of it, I'm really wondering how "old" the current processors are..

I mean, look how many different makes of laptops and desktop PCs are out there!
Does every company employ 50 engineers for each new system?
How long does it take to engineer, manufacture and produce a new laptop motherboard?
Do those companies get all the specs of the new processors some years ahead of the release date of the processor itself?
I guess those engineers do not get paid much..

As far as rumors say, Apple started to develop new systems 2 years ago. They are still not out yet! Why?
sarcasm on
Why can't Trevor not just sell the X1000 for the bare components price?
Why does he have or wants to make a win out of it?
He has so much money, the only right thing to do is to spend it for us, to give US a new Amiga don't you think? All those other people thinking otherwise are just greedy poor bugger beggars not willing to share what they have with the community!

And since the X1000 project has takes that long to materialize, Trevor should already commission the development for the next generation of it, so it will be ready on time! This would spare a lot of critics for the next system! After all he want's new hardware for his collection! He should bloody do something for it!

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 18-Apr-2011 15:34:21
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@pavlor

No, its 7 year old technology. X86 systems were outperforming the X1000 CPU back in 2004.

And the Natami wasn't designed to compete with the x1000 or any other system out there. It's a 68k retro board and will perform as such.

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