This is a great China manufacturer, cheap, tecnology, etc, without competition with the european or american manufacturers, as all mouses, tablest, mobile phones, new computers, low prices but the result is that all are:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tp1iHYNc-qI/TzammAnGQDI/AAAAAAAAFys/Emd-MFmgA1E/s400/mierda.jpg

Yes, I like from old Amiga systems that they are as tanks, robust, strongs, etc., the new moderm devices you can try to add new cards, etc., the result is that all are.... because they are crashed, etc.

And yet...
Commodore 1085S monitor : made in Korea.
Amiga 500 ECS : made in Philippines.
Amiga mouse : made in China ? Hong-Kong ? Taiwan ? Can't remember. Something like that.
And they never had a hiccup (save for the mouse which needed a new left button a few years ago)
You can build reliable products or sh*t everywhere in the world.

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You are very right. Pero desde Espania y De la France? I'm only from Finland but we have Nokia etc.

I hope the best. Long live Amiga even in Thailand and India;)

@PR

I have one Nokia movil phone, and I like it although now it has... Windows mobile, because you made a good product but the made in chine to it be good, well, no with the current prices, but with these prices have sunken other manufacturers.

@Lynx

And the the fantastic mouses, the current main boards, etc., when you connect or use them you have the result... if you use them during six months they are fantastic but after of one year or more all are problems, fantastic for the Chine manufacturers and for the global environment.

@Templario

I bought this several months ago .http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Ampe-A85-Deluxe-Android-4-0-Tablet-PC-8-inch-Capacitive-Touch-Screen-1024-768-Allwinner/408020_571499825.html
It is cheap China product, it doesn't have 3G or GPS but it works very well, so I consider it to be very good value for money

@utri007

Good luck, friend.

You can built good or bad products anywhere - even in China. The difference between good and bad in China is probably even greater as they don't have the same standards in place as Europe, but if the parent company enforces a standard level of raw materials and manufacturing quality from their plants or contractors in China, there's no reason to expect any less quality than from a plant in Europe.

To answer the mouse question - My Amiga mouse here was made in Taiwan, and my A1200 was built in the Philippines.

@PR
I have a Nokia N9 - possibly the best phone Nokia ever made, and the last of that type to be made in Finland. The Lumia 800 which is based on the same body is made in China. I love the N9! It's such a shame they ditched it for Windows...

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@Daedalus

Well, I'll drink stout beer from Chine, if you reflection is good or Chine, the problem is that much manufacturers from Chine make products of low quality because we think that is good for the price, but for my experience only they are good the first months, although as you said many european or american manufacturers also make products or low quality because in the current market the objectives is to short terms, money, but the guilt is our, to buy these products, when Chine sell stouts beers to low cost for example and the Guinnes doesn't sell much beer and they down the quality, we'll have the example as situation in the technology, where the first is the money and after the quality, but in the current situation they sell us with beauty covering as the mobil phones, good but without the developers much from europe and america the famous tablets and mobiles with Android only will be other device without succcess, because the Chine and South Korean only makes this shit, they have the hand low cost no the talent and creative as us, but this is the problem the current economic situation in Europe (besides the politicians and the big companies of course).

@Templario

Well, nowadays it's almost impossible to buy anything even slightly more complex, that isn't at least partially made in china...

Although assumably big companies might have better quality control for their factories than "random user buying random china-built item from random website".

Of course there ARE big issues with non-chinese brands aswell, and those often result in big product recall operations (well, at least after someone successfully sues them, and they lose...)

As has been mentioned, China doesn't just produce cheap stuff. Of course, most of what you see from China is cheap stuff, because they sell truck-loads more of it than the expensive stuff... but you'd be surprised as to how much high quality comes from there. Strangely, though, it's rarely advertised on the expensive stuff that it's made in China as it's associated (wrongly) with only producing cheap rubbish.

@Jupp3

Well, in your avatar you use one rocket launcher, if it was Made in Chine, now you have a big eye or any worst.
The problem is the conformism, because some cases the people choose a Chine product to other of one country for stupid fears, huff, Made in Spain, huff Made in Greek, for example because we have this fears, I like and drink english beer and Gibraltar is spanish, but the ale beers are better from england than USA or other countries for example, is the fear that no open the mind and the eyes.

@Templario

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Well, in your avatar you use one rocket launcher, if it was Made in Chine, now you have a big eye or any worst.

It's APILAS heavy bazooka (and unlike how it looks, it's the "safer" model with added face mask), and I'm 100% certain that it has fair share of its parts manufactured in China. Because everything has.

Being a weapon, I'd be more worried about the "Designed in France" part

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some cases the people choose a Chine product to other of one country for stupid fears

What's common with cheap Chinese Android tablet, a genuine iPhone, most toys, many television sets etc.?

Correct. They're all made in China.

Sure, the brand (and f.ex. design) might not be chinese, but that won't make it any less "Made in China".

People choose a China product, because there are no "non-china" products available, period. At least in certain product categories.

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@Daedalus
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I have a Nokia N9 - possibly the best phone Nokia ever made, and the last of that type to be made in Finland

I might be assembled in Finland, but all the components still come from China :)

@Templario

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Gibraltar is spanish

LOL! Gibraltar is as "spanish" as Napoles, Sardinia and Sicilia!

The Crown of Aragon was invaded, splitted and reduced to pieces by Castilla (and Napoles Sardinia and Sicilia were left out). Castilla language and laws were enforcered, capital was moved to Castilla, all taxes went to Castilla, the Justicia was butchered (the oldest ombudsman institution of Europe), castillian chiefs were enforcered in each town (people no longer could vote their representants freely), security patrols were suppressed and an era of absolutism and decadence came to the Crown of Aragon.

If that was "valid" for Castilla then the invasion of Gibraltar is valid too. If Aragonese territories are Spanish (well, by spanish some people mean castillian) then Gibraltar is clearly British. And I swear you that if I were from Gibraltar I'd prefer to be british instead of a corrupt and absolutist spanish that doesn't understand what democracy is.

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@Britelite

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Quote: I have a Nokia N9 - possibly the best phone Nokia ever made, and the last of that type to be made in Finland I might be assembled in Finland, but all the components still come from China :)

Yes. My Nokia N900 case proudly claims "Designed in Finland" (instead of "Made in Finland"), go figure

And even if the phone WAS made in Finland (or generally "outside China"), most of the components would still be made in China...

@Templario

Err weren't most of Commodore's connectors etc. made at Foxxcon, the same company that still makes most of Apple's stuff etc. Their name is certainly stamped on most ports on my CBM 8-bit and Amiga systems.

Commodore definitely weren't a premium brand company, they were the epitome of "build em cheap, stack em high", especially when Tramiel was there.

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@Jupp3

Yes, economy is really globalized today. I run a small company that actually produces things. I try to buy rather locally, but some parts are just not available from everywhere. And for some parts I just don't know where they actually were produced (resistors, knobs, screws). But most parts are trackable though and I get many of them local (in my case (northwest Germany) my geographic rule of thumb ranking to buy things is (privately and professionally): 1st northwest Germany, 2nd Germany+BeNeLux, 3rd EU+CH, 4th rest of the world). As I produce in Germany I use the label "Made in Germany" also for reputation. But I also have good contacts to China, but of course with China it is like with most other countries: Where's light there's also shadow. I would prefer though if cargo costs were significantly higher - it would strengthen local markets again.

When I recently deliverd goods to a university I had to sign some paper that I warrant to fullfill a minimum set of ecological and social standards for my goods _and_ for my suppliers. Of course I signed it and I guess it's all true, but for some compounds I just don't know where they are from.

Anyway rule#1 for buying things for me (personal and professional) is quality first!

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And I try to buy more Greek, Italian and Spanish goods to help withmy little customer money to improve economy. But look for example to say tomatoes. The Spanish tomatoes have usually a better quality (i.e. are tastier) than the Dutch or Belgian green house tomatoes, but in my case I prefer the latter for ecological reasons (less transport, better water management in NL/B). Even on such small examples like buyin tomatos it becomes evident that it is very difficult to make a really sophisticated decision. At least I try. And in summer my tomatoes come from my own plants anyway - best quality. least transport and only little watering.

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@Jupp3

Yep, like most Apple products which say "designed in California" but are made in China... Funny though, my N9 says made in Finland, both on the box and on the phone itself. Of course, most of the components are probable Chinese/Korean in origin, but at least it was built in Europe

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A few years ago there was a TV documentary about a Swedish telecom company that moved their factory to China. The workers in Sweden weren't too happy about that and they said that it would end up costing the company more because the quality would not be the same anymore.

A year later they interviewed the management and asked about the results of the relocation:

Cheaper and better quality.

Oops.

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