Windows clean installation vs AmigaOS clean installation

I don't wont to Go to more offtopic the “Remote Desktop full version included with AmigaOS 4.1 Classic! “

http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33670&forum=32

So instead I start a new tread about Windows clean installation vs AmigaOS clean installation:

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@NutsAboutAmiga Well this is not place to discuss Windows apps, but WMA took 9 versions to play mp3 and 11 to play divx Any free player is better

WMA is codex not a media player.
(Windows Media Audio)

WMC or WMP (Windows Media Center / Player)
Windows is trying to push there own closed source formats, in the hopes that some one pays Microsoft some license fee, Apple did the same thing whit QuickTime.

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Awdul Wordpad, Notepad,

True.

I always download Notepad++ for windows,
I like the OS4.1 notepad, but notepad++ kicks ass (not a Microsoft product)

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Scandisk, Defrag ... almost the same as in Win95 etc. etc.

The applications you are taking about has been moved in to Computer management,

AmigaOS4.1 has PartitionWizard, the disk recovery feature needs a lot of RAM, it won't work if FFS partition is too big.

Whit SSD disk optimizing disks is no longer necessary because you are no longer moving/spinning an disks.

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No PDF

Microsoft has XPS, its supposed to compare whit PDF.
AmigaOS 4.1 has AmiPDF

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No Java

Microsoft lost the right to distribute there own Java, Sun Micro Systems is the company officially that created Java, this days it owned by Oracle.

I guess Microsoft don't wont to pay for licensee fee.

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No Flash

That's because Microsoft is trying to push sliverlight.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Win7 install is dumber, so maybe even faster but boots to same old problems

You should open the topic?

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Yes, everything must be Microsoft something and biggest monopolist and
paid sticker pusher (Win compatibile) will never pay for piece of better software
or something which is de facto standard. If some of those standards go cheaper, Linux distros and AmigaOS should have it out of box.

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Can you even get a 'clean' installation of Windows 7? If you get it on anything, you have to spend ages removing all those cheerful little aps that slow everything down, get in the way and offer no possible benefits.

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@Dwyloc

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@NutsAboutAmiga Quote: Remote Desktop is part of Microsoft Windows also you get Windows Media Player for free Just a small correction remote desktop is a part of Business/professional and Ultimate editions of Windows but not Home or Home Premium versions.

It is included in Windows 7 home Premium. (because I have this version)

I think your confused about different versions of windows.

The Home edition can not be part of company domain (Windows Network), that's the biggest difference, you can only use workgroups.

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Stephen_Robinson wrote: Can you even get a 'clean' installation of Windows 7? If you get it on anything, you have to spend ages removing all those cheerful little aps that slow everything down, get in the way and offer no possible benefits.

That's easy the license key is printed on a sticker normally.

If the DVD was not included or you have old version of Windows Vista
DO NOT BUY THE UPGRADE PACKAGE!!!!

it sucks!!! you need have full installed version of windows to upgrade, so if you ever need to reinstall the OS, guess what you need to downgrade to upgrade

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@vox

Microsoft is only big because people buy there products,

its not easy to get people to use Open Office if they are used to Microsoft Office products, I most also say that Open Office product is not as advanced.

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It is included in Windows 7 home Premium. (because I have this version)

The client is included with all editions of Windows 2000 and higher, but the server (the allow remote desktop connections) options is only included in XP Pro, Vista Business, Vista Ultimate, Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Ultimate Editions.

Please see http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare?T1=tab20 feature comparison or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions for more details.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Well you might have the Ultinate edition, and it will mostly suck as usual

But most of Windows out there are Starter/Basic ... as well as Offices.

Internet Explorer has come to the pack just because of Netscape popularity, cause
people are laisy and will not even download free software, but they have to of so many things. Its not usable once installed, while paradoxaly its fastest then when its just MS tones of trash ... once trash becomes bigger monster will only work slower, no way to fight it.

So, if OpenOffice would go with every Linux and AmigaOS and it would be presented as part of OS, I&I bet they would let Office Starter in. Which by the way they should by price of middle and high end OS versions.

Also, pushing their own standards is soo boring and counterproductive. I&I want mp3 and divx out of box, as well as Java and Flash. And am happier with Linux that has it out of box.

And prices ... XP is perfectly usable on third world send junk like PIII 512MB RAM
and yet when you end life cycle you keep near Win7 Starter price, instead of giving something to the thirld world for like 20 euros and end piracy omce for all.

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@Dwyloc

You are right, you don't have the normal remote desktop server, but you do have the remote help, its on invite bases, I have not tried it.

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At the other hand, AmigaOS installation is also nice and very intuitive.
Selections are logic and with less comercials then Windows install.
Guide for old OS4 install can be found here
http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=en_os4final
AmigaOS 4.1 users just need to follow quickstart guide.

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An installation of Windows 7 is pretty quick.

The installer for AmigaOS4.1 (on Peg2) was not that good, it didn't give me the option to create the boot partition automatically so i had to mess with it manually.

@fryguy

Major difference is that Windows creates a boot block (and its menu) without asking user anything and without any install option but to format the whole drive. So depends what good is. I&I prefer manual advanced option and good hints and guides to automatism that installs a lot of junk I&I don`t need.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Sorry, but I miss the point of this whole thread...

@paolone

Yep, me too. It's like comparing apples to oranges...

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paolone wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Sorry, but I miss the point of this whole thread...

Not allot Just take off topic stuff out of the other tread,

The funny thing is that this tread seams to be more popular for no good reason

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If the DVD was not included or you have old version of Windows Vista DO NOT BUY THE UPGRADE PACKAGE!!!! it sucks!!! you need have full installed version of windows to upgrade, so if you ever need to reinstall the OS, guess what you need to downgrade to upgrade

I wish people who don't educate themselves about Win* wouldn't complain about it. It sorta kinda makes you dumb.

Look...Vista and Win7 (and probably Win8) "upgrade" versions don't require the product key to be entered at install. If you put the Win* install DVD in and boot the machine, select "custom" install - yes, on a fresh HD with no OS or even file system installed.

The install will go through its processes. When you get to the registration point, skip it. Once you're at the desktop, don't activate the license, don't install any software, don't do ANYTHING except put your Win* upgrade disk in and...upgrade. That's right, select Upgrade.

You're then taken through the install process again. This time, you can use the product key because - surprise! - you're upgrading. Once this is complete, delete the windows.old folder (which should be nearly empty anyway) from the root drive and you're all set.

Yes, Microsoft knows about it. Yes, it's OK by them. All it requires is twice the amount of time (hour and a half instead of 45 minutes). If you need to reinstall the OS again, despite the ignorant statement above ("you need to downgrade...") you're actually better off: the install process will back up your old files for you (putting them in Windows.old, or just laying the new install over the top of the old and preserving the user accounts depending on how you do it).

I've done it many times with Vista and with 7.

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@TheDungeonDelver

Actually there is way to trick it, type some stuff in shell, and you can register your upgrade.

Its just extra hazel

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vox wrote: @fryguy Major difference is that Windows creates a boot block (and its menu) without asking user anything and without any install option but to format the whole drive. So depends what good is. I&I prefer manual advanced option and good hints and guides to automatism that installs a lot of junk I&I don`t need.

I realize English isn't your first (or apparently second) language but...man what?

I've never installed any Windows that demand you format the whole drive first as part of the install process.

I've installed Windows on "dirty" drives plenty of times under many circumstances and have put it on drives other than the boot drive, etc.

Again, I wish people would educate themselves a bit before posting on the matter.

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