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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 8:01:57
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| @mr2
what is about price/performance ratio of your SAM? |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 8:54:04
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Price/perf ratio is like in a smartwatch (and with a Vampire it's 10 times worse and took 10 years to deliver but thats cool, thats ok!) but it doesn't matter until it gives me a lot of fun. I can imagine others have fun with a Vampire, MOS, AROS...thats why I don't rain on their parade. Unfortunately some of them don't return a favour. _________________ Sam440ep-flex 800MHz 1GB RAM R9250 128MB SB Live!
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 11:06:59
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I have only explained why people enjoy using a Vampire even if they know that it cannot compete with modern hardware and what emotions a vampire creates at many amigans.
Price/performance ratio has really nothing to do with it. Because of that I asked you about your SAM that has the same bad performance/price ratio compared to modern hardware and still you use it and are propably happy about it. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 14:36:06
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Because of that I asked you about your SAM that has the same bad performance/price ratio compared to modern hardware |
Compared to Vampire, even X1000 has better price/performance ratio...
Last time Amiga users really cared about price/performance was in the early 1990s, such arguments are meaningless now. We all enjoy our hobby - be it thanks to A1, old Mac or the Vampire. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 14:46:17
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yes and X1000 is 50 times worse than my recent PC
now what?
It has no meaning today... I always wonder why people like you and the other one bring it in discussion Last edited by OlafS25 on 24-Oct-2016 at 02:46 PM.
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 14:59:15
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If I remember correctly, it was always your argument in threads about NG hardware...
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yes and X1000 is 50 times worse than my recent PC |
20 times is closer to reality. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 15:19:09
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and you keep on saying that Vampire is slower than current hardware... something you seem to think nobody knows of yet |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 15:42:34
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something you seem to think nobody knows of yet |
Well, Gunnar et co should really tone down their promo-material. Capable of NG work loads? Of course. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 16:32:10
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 16:47:22
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+1 I agree it gets tiresome _________________ Amigaone X5000/20 4GB Radeon RX 550 Polaris 12 AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition Update 1 Amiga 1200 Workbench 3.1.4 Amiga CD32 |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 17:19:55
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sorry I did not start that discussion here... |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 17:47:52
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outrun1978 wrote: @Rob
+1 I agree it gets tiresome |
+ infinity_________________ ____________________________ c64-2sids, A1000, A1200T-060@50(finally working!),A4000-CSMKIII ! My Master Miggies- Amiga 1000 & AmigaOne X1000 ! mancave-ramblings X1000 I BELIEVE |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 22:24:24
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Compared to Vampire, even X1000 has better price/performance ratio... |
perhaps, but even now it has an entry level price. and thats what counts most except appeal. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 22:26:28
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Well, Gunnar et co should really tone down their promo-material. Capable of NG work loads? Of course. |
i dont know. as if everybody else was about to tone down. at least they are successively delivering on many if not most of what they advertise. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 24-Oct-2016 23:29:23
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You guys are like a virus infecting every thread with the same old tired arguments. |
I'm sure some would suggest that limiting conversations to rainbows and puppies would be great but it's not a reflection of reality either.
The elephant in the room is that there are two clearly different mindsets:
1. Hardware that keeps the legacy alive is key.
Price and performance don't really come into play because it's a hobbyist market of limited volume. Development is subsidized and not profit-driven.
2. Hardware that keeps the legacy alive prevents it from going forward.
New hardware is really just repackaged old technology that is no longer viable. Development needs to focus on the software so that the market will evolve and expand.
I genuinely don't think that community members in category #2 really have anything against the enthusiasm of people in category #1. Most are likely equally happy for them.
The issue is that the first option has a limited lifespan and pretty much concedes that the platform is just being kept alive to preserve the warm fuzzies.
So how do you eliminate the recurring arguments...?
Provide some indication of direction.
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 25-Oct-2016 6:24:22
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ne_one wrote: @Rob Quote:
You guys are like a virus infecting every thread with the same old tired arguments. |
I'm sure some would suggest that limiting conversations to rainbows and puppies would be great but it's not a reflection of reality either. So how do you eliminate the recurring arguments...? Provide some indication of direction.
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I believe the point here is not trying to limit arguments but bringing these arguments in each and every thread, even if totally unrelated. You may also notice that this happens 90% of the time in AOS4 related threads done by the same bunch of people. This has the effect of "alienating" some less vocal people (like myself) that just want to enjoy their hobby but don't care anymore about participating in discussions because it's getting tiresome. Isn't this considered limiting conversations too? And it's done in a more "brutal" way. Provide some indication of direction.
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 25-Oct-2016 20:06:01
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This has the effect of "alienating" some less vocal people (like myself) that just want to enjoy their hobby but don't care anymore about participating in discussions because it's getting tiresome. Isn't this considered limiting conversations too? And it's done in a more "brutal" way. |
If you've been involved in the Amiga community for a while, the squabbling isn't particularly new and I'm sure most people have developed sophisticated filters.
I'm not suggesting that it is ever warranted, but a big part of the problem is lack of real information.
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 25-Oct-2016 20:39:32
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Capable of NG work loads? Of course. |
Not._________________ Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective" |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 25-Oct-2016 21:29:09
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Depends how you define those ng workloads. Looks like its mostly defined with being able to listen to audiostreams, view some videos, and browse some net halfaway, plus be able to play doom and quake.. Because thats what seems to break down to whats possible with the ng. All of above might be within reach for vampire to certain extent with the bonus being legacy compatible solution, where it may count less if you are already watching hd or only vga type of resolutions. |
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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog Posted on 25-Oct-2016 21:30:51
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| Gee willikers, everybody is always fussing about what everybody else is doing around here. I enjoy the X1000 and OS4, and I enjoy my classic Amigas. Lately I also have been having a ball with my little Mist FPGA computer. I cannot wait to get a Vampire as well. All this stuff is great fun, if you ask me. What's the friggin' deal? One effort does not hurt the other. _________________
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