During the recent lack of hardware to run amigaos on, it has become increasingly clear to me that the problem is not due to an explicit shortage of hardware; The list of hardware for which amigaos could be made available for include the pegasos, the ppc STB box announced a year ago or 3rd party boards like the crescendo pci card from Sonnet. Even ports to macs or x86 are, even though debatable, theoretically possible. The problem is also neither “willingness to port” aos to a new platform from Hyperions side or funding for it, since people have, at least on this forum, offered the required cash.
This leaves the suspicion that the problem is elsewhere, and although nothing has been made official, many have suggested Amiga Incs attitude towards granting licenses, to be one of the greatest problems. This is backed up by Amiga Incs own homepage, which states “AmigaOne Partners have the right to distribute AmigaOS 4.0 into the AmigaOne desktop computer market and into Cyberstorm PPC enabled devices. Distribution into any other market or device requires a licensing and distribution agreement with Amiga, Inc.” and “Please note, the development of future versions of the Amiga Operating System is not available for third party development or distribution”. For the untrained eye, it could certainly look like Amiga Inc is trying to strangle the amigaos branch to get the customers attention focused on their AmigaAnywhere technology.

So what can one do about it?

The easiest option is simply just to say goodbye and find another geeky hobby. Sadly many seem to do just that, judging from the forums. However there is also another option. There exist many rumors of a mythical contract between Amiga Inc and Hyperion. In this contract it states (according to the rumors) that if Amiga Inc goes bankrupt, all rights for amigaos is transferred to Hyperion. A possible solution to the problem could simply be the demise of Amiga Inc.

We, as users, are actually in a pretty damn good position to hurt the financial position of Amiga Inc RIGHT NOW. If you have followed Amiga Inc since their birth, you will know that they are ALWAYS strapped for money. And you will also know that Amiga Inc is RIGHT now attempting their first “real” commercial endeavor with the Handango and Win a Bike contest. Since this is the first real sign of life from Amiga Inc in many years, it would not surprise me if they had A LOT on stake right now and they really need people to actually buy the damn AmigaAnywhere games.
If this were true, a boycott of Amiga Inc would be very effect full. I couldn’t imagine having sold only 67 AmigaAnywhere games and still having to pay some guy a brand new bike a beneficial situation for Amiga Inc.

To our advantage amiga Inc has always promoted themselves on the community of amiga users (hinting us as both potential customers and developers of the Amiga Anywhere platform). Imagine if we didn’t buy their products and asked others to refrain from this as well? And started to send emails to distributors asking them to remove Amiga Incs products? This could place us in a situation where we would have the opportunity to demand Amiga Inc to rethink their licensing of amigaos hardware strategy.

One the things I find confusing, however, are that Amiga Inc actually DID go bankrupt (IIRC) after Hyperion had started their work on aos4.0. Amiga Inc did go bankrupt around the same time as Garry Hare emerged. His newly formed company KMOS bought the name, hired Fleecy and McEwen and after some months changed their name to… Amiga Inc.

To clear up things I don’t mind having Amiga Inc around or that they accept money for each copy of Amigaos 4.0 sold. I do mind if it turns out that their licensing strategy disables any new amiga hardware

@Desler
I think 99% of the amiga community is already boycotting the AA titles from AmigaINC.

It seems to me that Amiga regrets giving rights to hyperion/eyetech in the first place for OS4 and hardware licensed under the amiga name and now they want us to forget about AmigaOS and bury it completly.

I never was one of those Amiga INC bashers, but it now turned out that alot of the #### blue trolls spewed out ended up to be completly true. We are now without hardware and OS4 seems to have no future thanks to that.

@Desler

I would like to know whats going on... I know Fleecy woudlnt give up that easily on doing OS5 for 64-bit as was planned... but with Garry no longer being involved and god knows what else going on... and Bill basically not having a clue... and the lawyers being aimed in the wrong direction...

Its a shame they didnt just go under so Hyperion could assume the Amiga rights...

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And why do people still look upto Garry Hare? He did absolutely nothing and it seems like he could easily be blamed for this situation as well.
Amiga spewed out alot of #### under Garry Hare as a ceo as well.. Anyone remember the internet OS based on AmigaOS and so on?

@Tomas

I'm not actually boycotting AA and AA titles. I'm just not interested in them at all. Any money they get from me will be due to AOS4 and its associated hardware. I'm sure that this goes for a lot of people here too.

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@Desler

I like to know where Amiga Inc stand in all this too, butt I guess we need to wait for hw hardware to be available and some one willing to Pay the development of 20 000 Euro / 20 Euro per copy of OS4, I do not se way it’s so important to get approval for the hw from Amiga Inc, is it not the OS that has the name ‘Amiga’ in it?

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@Desler

Yea, boycotting Amiga Inc. is really going to make a significant difference...

Easy enough however, I'm not aware that I own anything their AA games can run on, and I'm not aware of any of them that I'm intrested in anyway. Sure, I don't actually know what's available, but the big casino pictures on Amiga's front web page don't inspire me to look. I'm not interested in casino or puzzle games.

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If they only could only give away the name and rename themselves Amigasoft or something else.

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@Tomas

I think ”Garry Hare” did have grate visions for AmigaOS, and I agree whit him that mobile storage of different types is becoming more and more important, should AmigaOS progress. GPRS / WiFi standards are extremely important in the mobile market place

butt I agree where is "Garry Hare"?

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@Desler

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One the things I find confusing, however, are that Amiga Inc actually DID go bankrupt (IIRC) after Hyperion had started their work on aos4.0. Amiga Inc did go bankrupt around the same time as Garry Hare emerged. His newly formed company KMOS bought the name, hired Fleecy and McEwen and after some months changed their name to… Amiga Inc.

The purchase of a company doesn't necessarily mean it was bankrupt. They were deeply in limbo, yes, and you or I may not have been able to tell the difference looking at them, but they may not have been legally bankrupt as far as a lawyer or judge was concerned at the time.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Desler I like to know where Amiga Inc stand in all this too, butt I guess we need to wait for hw hardware to be available and some one willing to Pay the development of 20 000 Euro / 20 Euro per copy of OS4, I do not se way it’s so important to get approval for the hw from Amiga Inc, is it not the OS that has the name ‘Amiga’ in it?

The terms are that any hardware running OS4 should have a license from AmigaINC.
Eyetech is the only company that was granted this license and several others have been trying to buy one, but they either get no response or AmigaINC isnt accepting the so called terms. Someone asked in another thread about if pegasos could get OS4 running if someone coughed up those money for the port. The response was that it is still not possible because of legal issues, which i guess is mainly lack of license from AmigaINC.

I am not saying that this is fact, just what i understood from what i previousely have read.

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@Tomas

Is the Pegasus RoHs compliant if not then it makes no sense to port AmigaOS4 to until it is, if the Pegasus is going to dropped, for some thing else?

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@Tomas

Garry did one really good thing, and that was to finally send out the t-shirts

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@Desler

Oh is Amiga Inc. still alive? I believe in Hyperion and my A1XE. Still waiting since over a year for my microA1.

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@Desler

I too am annoyed about Amiga Inc’s apparent lack of any visible progress!
They seem convinced that we should all go nuts on the ‘Amiga-Nowhere’ java-esq. platform while attempting to sell US games that do not work on ANY Amiga hardware! The actual Amiga community (that’s us) wants OS4 and (more importantly) Hardware to run it on!

WAKE UP AMIGA INC, WE WANT OS 4 NOT A POOR VERSION OF JAVA VM; SELL US SOMETHING _WE_ WANT, OS4 AND OS4 ENABLED HARDWARE!

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I be happy if they used there investment in selling AmigaInc hardware

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@billt

From what I understand all the oustanding debt (to everyone be they domestic or foreign inc. UK) was written off before KMOS took over, so I think its safe to say that they were made bankrupt.

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@SvenHarvey

An effective way to dodge the debt.

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@Desler
I agree on most points that you make, particularly in the first paragraph.

However,

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We, as users, are actually in a pretty damn good position to hurt the financial position of Amiga Inc RIGHT NOW. I

...I don't think we are in a good position to hurt the financial position of Amiga Inc. right now. The impact of Amiga users on the sales of all these crappy games is minimal imho.
Yes, it was also announced on Amiga-sites, but I doubt many Amigans have actually bought these games. Why would you buy them? Because they are from Amiga Inc. but don't have anything to do with "Amiga" except for the name?

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