Well, we are more than half way through the year.

The argument that ACK and Troika are 'Two weeks away' has been proven to be FUD spread purely to kill the chance of seeing OS4 on real hardware.

This really is too pathetic for words.

I think I am right in saying that Hyperion quoted 3 months for a peg II port.

I also remember someone saying that ACK were 'building the boards first, worrying about the license later' - so the lack of license was not a barrier.
The Rohs #### was proven to be just more FUD.

Several parties indicated they were willing to finance a DCE run of Peg IIs for this project.
They were dissuaded by the above FUD arguments.

If there is no announcement by Troika and no decision to port to either PegII or x86 I feel like closing the door on Amiga OS4 for good......

AROS is free and is available on cheap fast hardware. It's nearly at the level of OS4 pre1.

MOS is available on reasonably cheap and fairly fast H/W.

[End of Rant]

@Colin_Camper

I know how negative this sounds, but I'm afraid you is dead rite.

OS4 is a dead duck at the mo. Which is a shame as it's the best Amiga OS I've ever used, in many ways porting it to PPC nativly and the improvments over 3.9 make it more impressive piece of work than the 6 years or whatever MS have taken to produce Vista, new wizzy theme, new TCP stack, new Sound engine, and err.. that's it, for example.

But that's going off subect.

And I can't see any new hardware coming soon either, that's not Peg, old PPC Macs, or yeah, i386, blah-blah...

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@Colin_Camper

There's probably a damn good reason why people don't jump in the MOS/AROS wagon. What could it be ?

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Because the Amiga OS is dead?

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@Colin_Camper

The best (IMO) and quickest solution would have been to get a license for Peg2 for sure, but if the rumours is true that Amiga Inc. refuse all attemps of getting a licens for OS4 running on that HW because of pride or what ever, they are to blame for the death of OS4.

Do Amiga Inc. care what happens to OS4 at all ?

@Develin
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Do Amiga Inc care what happens to OS4 at all?

No. They are only concerned with AmigaAnywhere stuff. That is what their VC backers are interested in and where they hope to make a profit.

@Colin_Camper
I'm not convinced that the Troika/ACK announcements are FUD. Ambitiously optimistic, perhaps. Naive, perhaps. Deliberate attempts to kill OS4 on other hardware, I doubt it.

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@yoodoo2

It's good to know that their (AInc's) decision is what final has todo with the outcome for OS4 even if they really don't care about the future of it ?

I wonder how the hell they intend to make money with their current actions.
It's really sad to see how everything has turned out, what's really left in the name Amiga? I wonder what the orginal Amiga crew whould say about the current situation. I assume they would first laugh, then cry...

Wait and see. Some good news are coming in the next few months.

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@yoodoo2

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I'm not convinced that the Troika/ACK announcements are FUD.

I didn't say that. However the people who were using the argument that anyone discussing
using bbrv's proposal were 'disloyal' and 'hurting Ack/Troika' because they were about to release hardware within 2 weeks - 2 months were spreading FUD.

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Deliberate attempts to kill OS4 on other hardware, I doubt it.

Again, I didn't accuse Ack/Troika of this. Remember at the time neither were actually saying anything. No, I was saying that people with political agendas were using Ack/Troika to shut-down the possibilty of OS4 on PegII.

@Develin

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Develin wrote: @Colin_Camper The best (IMO) and quickest solution would have been to get a license for Peg2 for sure, but if the rumours is true that Amiga Inc. refuse all attemps of getting a licens for OS4 running on that HW because of pride or what ever, they are to blame for the death of OS4. Do Amiga Inc. care what happens to OS4 at all ?

Probably Amiga Inc. don't care about AmigaOS 4 because it won't give them any reasonable profit. And it was proven several times in the past that dealing with the guys behind the Peg hardware is more trouble that profit, so they are probably more in the position of "if can't win, better don't lose as well". I guess you can't blame them for acting like this.

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@ikir

Yeah... How many times have we heard that one.

WOLF!!! Everybody run!

I was told the same thing a year and a half ago. (Big things are happening, just wait a few more months and you'll see). Well excuse me for my non-believing attitude, but those type of posts only make people angy anymore. "Put up or shut up" is a saying that comes to mind.

@Colin_Camper

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This really is too pathetic for words.

Looks bad doesn't it?

Still - we're no worse off I suppose - we haven't had a viable Amiga since 1994 so we stand to loose nothing more.

I would love to know what Hyperion are actually doing to get OS4 out of the door as I am certain they are trying their hardest to resolve the hardware issue.

@Hyperion

Is there anything we can do to help as from where we are standing it looks as if OS4 will never see the light of day in release form. That would be a tragic loss.

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@ikir

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Wait and see. Some good news are coming in the next few months.

Really? What?

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@Herewegoagain

In case you didn't already notice, he posted #27 here.

Additionally, the last time information/links were posted coming from the Italian
forum, they concerned Adam's work on the CPU replacements and the PV.
The comments, imo, were just general enough to be greatly misunderstood.
This was -months- ago, and obviously the situation has changed.

As to the recent announcements about Pianeta Amiga, this is nothing new.
I have been receiving info regarding great things coming out of this show for
months now.

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@-Sam-

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Still - we're no worse off I suppose - we haven't had a viable Amiga since 1994 so we stand to loose nothing more.

Well, if you're not hung up on names - AROS is looking cooler and cooler by the day and MOS, of course, is active and mature.

@Colin_Camper

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Colin_Camper wrote: @-Sam- Quote: Still - we're no worse off I suppose - we haven't had a viable Amiga since 1994 so we stand to loose nothing more. Well, if you're not hung up on names - AROS is looking cooler and cooler by the day and MOS, of course, is active and mature.

But AmigaOS 4 have the most apps currently, and that's what more matters about an OS, than it's cool look.

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@ikir

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ikir wrote: Wait and see. Some good news are coming in the next few months.

I suppose you didn't even write that as a joke?

That sickening mantra of bullshit has probably done almost as much damage to AmigaOS as its owners have.

If so many people hadn't been strung along for all these years by the continuous "wait and see, great things are coming which you know nothing about!" garbage, and instead had spoken up already in say 2002, then chances are that the "new Amiga hardware" licensing madness would have been dropped years ago and we'd be running AmigaOS on existing, good and sellable hardware.

"Good news" would be AInc saying "Screw this 'new Amiga' nonsense! Hyperion or anyone else, you're free to make and sell AmigaOS for viable hardware instead!"
Though I fear that this would be a bit too late now, and it's late partly thanks to the "good news are coming, just you wait" reversed FUD.

Yet another pointless "community hardware" project wouldn't be "good news". It's like a junkie finding money to buy another fix. Yay, he's stuck in the shit and his kids are starving, but at least he can get high one more time!

Get the junkie off the drugs so he can spend the money on something useful instead.

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@-Sam-

Perhaps another announcement? Another carrot on a stick for the Amigans to follow?

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@Seehund

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If so many people hadn't been strung along for all these years by the continuous "wait and see, great things are coming which you know nothing about!" garbage, and instead had spoken up already in say 2002, then chances are that the "new Amiga hardware" licensing madness would have been dropped years ago and we'd be running AmigaOS on existing, good and sellable hardware.

You speak in a loop since then, and always exactly the same, and what exactly you changed? Please describe.

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