@nicholas

Claiming that Eye-Am is gay, is like saying Michael Jackson will sing a song loud with the title "Won't Have Kids On Bed Anymore" and stupid, pointless songs like "I'm So Alone", ending with "Will Quit Masturbating Myself". The last one would be so true

God, what am i saying? I'm attacking my own idol!

But enough jokes now. Back to the topic Like Wiffy says, and that's actually a very clear one, is to stop discussing others' people sexuality and such things. Leave people like Eye-Am alone, but i agree to a point that he should not have mentioned offically in an Amiga-related forum, but kept it for himself privately...

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Get off the subject of EyeAm and his sexuality please.

re: Eyeam

On another note Eyeam has announced on ann.lu that the secret apps are Coreldraw and Wordperfect. Glad it's not a secret, I don't think I could have kept that one very long

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Everytime I read your posts they say something different. You're a Dynamic person.

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@smithy

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Valid questions have been raised by long-time Amiga fans (or the "usual suspects"). And once again, they've been patronised and ignored.

"Patronized"? I am sorry, how many times have I said that

a) The main focus and source of income would be the EMBEDDED MARKET and not the Desktop?
b) The x86 has no impact on the embedded market?

I am sorry if I sound "patronizing", but apparently this is necessary because people seem to have a hard time understanding this simple fact.

Now, would you care to answer the question: Why would AmigaOS 4.0 go to x86 in the light of what I said above? Is that *really* so hard to understand?

Go ahead, continue the discussion. It won't change a thing.

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@smithy

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Valid questions have been raised by long-time Amiga fans (or the "usual suspects"). And once again, they've been patronised and ignored.

Which valid questions ? All I saw was another x86 vs PPC rant that is as useless now as it was back then.

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EyeAm has left the building.

Not without sending me a PM caling me an idiot and a few other nice words. Only goes to show the maturity level.

Feel free to moderate this, but I didn't get a chance to reply to him either.

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smithy wrote: @T_Bone Quote: It's not an unreasonable question, to ask why there's no reasonably available hardware. Do you truely think this isn't a problem, and that wanting reasonable hardware is an unreasonable request? @T_Bone Hardware is not even the question here. The issue is the focus away from the desktop. But the answer to your question is that embedded OSes don't need reasonably available hardware. And the lack of reasonably available hardware is consistent with the embedded focus.

I wouldn't mind the embedded focus so much if it were complementary to the desktop, or even worst case scenario, indifferent to the desktop, but it's neither of those, it's sacrificing and compromising the desktop. I think that's unfair to everyone here who's invested into the desktop solution, and dissapointing to those who want to.

And you're right, the problems that people interested in a Desktop are facing, arn't important to the embedded focus, and are therefore irrelevant in their eyes. That's discouraging to anyone except those who *only* care about the embedded market, which I doubt includes many here.

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I think it's quite a valid question.

Okay, if you are so keen on valid questions, here's three for you:

1) Do you think there is a market for Yet Anotehr OS on the desktop?
( ) Yes
( ) No

2) Do you think that in the embedded market space x86 has any significance
( ) Yes
( ) No

3) Do you think that if we would think about CPU alternatives, XScale would come to mind?
( ) Yes
( ) No.

Go ahead and answer these, and we might continue the discussion.

(For your convencience, here's the solution to the quesitons: 3b 2b 3a)

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Rogue wrote: @Wiffy Quote: EyeAm has left the building. Not without sending me a PM caling me an idiot and a few other nice words. Only goes to show the maturity level. Feel free to moderate this, but I didn't get a chance to reply to him either.

Well, if it's any consolation, somehow the little guy has managed to convince Corel to allow an Amiga port of Corel Draw and Wordperfect. probably not of much use in the embedded market, but it's good news for the Desktop.

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1)a -- but this is a trick question.. How do you define market? Are you looking for Apple % marketshare? And in how long?

2)a -- definitely. VIA's x86 and Mini-ITX solutions are interesting along with AMD's Geode 800Mhz @ .9Watts.

3)a -- if alternative CPU's were being consider Xscale and ARM should be considered. Though it would be amusing to see the Amiga benefit from the Acorn Risc Machine processor architecture, later changed to Advanced Risc Machine by DEC and then purchased by Intel.

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Rogue wrote: a) The main focus and source of income would be the EMBEDDED MARKET and not the Desktop? b) The x86 has no impact on the embedded market? I am sorry if I sound "patronizing", but apparently this is necessary because people seem to have a hard time understanding this simple fact. Now, would you care to answer the question: Why would AmigaOS 4.0 go to x86 in the light of what I said above? Is that *really* so hard to understand?

The x86 is present a big way in the embedded market. AMD and Intel are investing hugely in it. Besides, with embedded stuff the hardware doesn't matter, you can use any hardware that will do the job. Now that I've debunked your reason (a), and reason (b) depends on reason (a) then the answer to your question is self evident.

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Go ahead, continue the discussion. It won't change a thing.

But anyway. I don't care about the embedded market. That's not what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter to me what software my electric potato peeler uses. This website is about the Amiga as a computer, for computer users, so excuse me for coming back to this subject:

The problem I have others have here is that it seems the focus is on the embedded stuff at the expense of the desktop stuff. Ok, so the desktop might still exist as a development machine for new models of vending machines, but that's not really good enough for the users. Things like a new desktop environment, new file explorers, new printer driver engines are nowhere near the top of the list for an embedded OS. So as T_Bone says it looks like the desktop system could lose out at the expense of the embedded system.

And the thing is that this embedded focus seems to stem because of poor sales of AmigaOne hardware. But a PC version of OS4 could sell 10x or 100x as much, especially if OS4 could appear on the shelves of PC World. Of course I could only guess what numbers it would sell in, but those DVDs you see in stores with UAE and a tonne of Amiga game demos have sold in their hundreds of thousands. We're talking about more revenue than from hardware sales.

And the PC has a large embedded market too, if you really must.

The point is that the PC desktop market is opening up. There is a huge boom in alternative OS users - but they nearly all use their PC hardware.

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Well, if it's any consolation, somehow the little guy has managed to convince Corel to allow an Amiga port of Corel Draw and Wordperfect. probably not of much use in the embedded market, but it's good news for the Desktop.

He's given the name Randy Hughes from Amiga Inc as a contact. Anyone remember how Amiga Inc once announced a port of Corel Draw for AmigaDE? I suspect this is that plan resurrected. "CorelDraw for Amiga", rather than "CorelDraw for AmigaOS".

But, er, (I have to say this), why does an embedded OS need a painting program or a word processor? Users of Lean Mean Fat Grilling Machines and traffic lights have no need to draw pictures or write letters...

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Rogue wrote: @nicholas Quote: I think it's quite a valid question. Okay, if you are so keen on valid questions, here's three for you: 1) Do you think there is a market for Yet Anotehr OS on the desktop? ( ) Yes ( ) No 2) Do you think that in the embedded market space x86 has any significance ( ) Yes ( ) No 3) Do you think that if we would think about CPU alternatives, XScale would come to mind? ( ) Yes ( ) No. Go ahead and answer these, and we might continue the discussion. (For your convencience, here's the solution to the quesitons: 3b 2b 3a)

Adjudication edit, this post was moderated for swearing, please repeat your fundamental point in a later post without using bad language. - Wiffy

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smithy wrote: @T_Bone Quote: Well, if it's any consolation, somehow the little guy has managed to convince Corel to allow an Amiga port of Corel Draw and Wordperfect. probably not of much use in the embedded market, but it's good news for the Desktop. He's given the name Randy Hughes from Amiga Inc as a contact. Anyone remember how Amiga Inc once announced a port of Corel Draw for AmigaDE? I suspect this is that plan resurrected. "CorelDraw for Amiga", rather than "CorelDraw for AmigaOS".

If they squander this opportunity on AmigaDE instead of AmigaOS4, I GUARANTEE Eyeam will have a holy cow sending IM's like the one mentioned above.

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Has eYeAM been suspended for being gay?

You are kidding right?

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Well, send them oner here then, waste not...

Now now T_Bone, I am sure I can handle both of them.

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Coder wrote: @T_Bone Quote: Well, send them oner here then, waste not... Now now T_Bone, I am sure I can handle both of them. Coder

Why do you think he's called T_Bone?

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Now now T_Bone, I am sure I can handle both of them. Coder

Why do you think he's called T_Bone?
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nicholas wrote: @Rogue Quote: Rogue wrote: @nicholas [quote]I think it's quite a valid question. Okay, if you are so keen on valid questions, here's three for you: 1) Do you think there is a market for Yet Anotehr OS on the desktop? ( ) Yes ( ) No 2) Do you think that in the embedded market space x86 has any significance ( ) Yes ( ) No 3) Do you think that if we would think about CPU alternatives, XScale would come to mind? ( ) Yes ( ) No. Go ahead and answer these, and we might continue the discussion. (For your convencience, here's the solution to the quesitons: 3b 2b 3a)

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@Rogue or EntilZha or HyperionMP or Ralph Schmidt or Neko or BBRV
For what reason would a business that requires an embedded OS choose to pay licence fees for a proprietary operating system such as OS4/MorphOS, when they could use GNU/Linux or a BSD operating system for so much less TCO, or even an already established realtime proprietary OS such as VxWorks or QNX?

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