@olegil

I will try that next time when I'm deep in trouble.

@Mr_Capehill

I knew you're just kidding

@OleEgil

What did he mention? What do you mean?

@AMiGR

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Yes, but what are you gonna use as the driver API, OpenGL doesn't define one, does it?

That's the point. No, it doesn't, therefore, you're free to do whatever you need to.

The plan is to have an opengl.library. It defines the native mode interface (think WGL, GLX, etc), and the usual OpenGL entries. The driver implementation provides all the OpenGL entries. This means that yes, in essence, every hardware driver is a full OpenGL implementation. This allows the driver to do as little as neccessary in software while relying on it's hardware features.

If you define a driver interface, you'll end up not being able to cope with everything. For example, Warp3D is unsuited for T&L, simply because from day 1, it's been using screen coordinates... At that time, it was OK since no hardware even had T&L.

If you look at what for example Mesa currently does, you'll see that it doesn't have a ridgid defined "driver interface" any more. It's more or less a large OpenGL "template": You can provide some functions, and it will be a full OpenGL, but OTOH, you can also elect to do things different and just use parts of Mesa if your hardware does allow some shortcuts.

In the old days, Mesa had a "low-level driver interface", and Warp3D was meant to be mapped to that. But things have changed. Efficiency is diminished if you push everything through an abstract driver interface. Maximum efficiency means keeping the ways from the application to the hardware as short as possible...

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@olegil

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My favourite was of course: "You're out of beer. It's my fault, but it's your problem."

Well, my favorite was "Yeah, we know that sex is a bad substitute for Star Trek"... this one was so fitting in this context, I could laugh even though the dead animal on your food was still staring at me with it's cold, empty and lifeless eyes.

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@EntilZha

But sex IS a bad substitute for Star Trek. Mind you, Star Trek shouldn't be had as a substitute for sex either, but that wasn't the point.

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@Helgis

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What did he mention? What do you mean?

"I don't have a frigging clue. I'm norwegian" -- Ole-Egil

This was on the evening before the show... after putting up everything in the exhibition hall, we were standing outside the venue and we decided to get something to eat... Someone asked "where to ?", and that's when Ole-Egil said that (of course, replace "frigging" with the, uh, other word).

(If somebody doesn't get it yet, it was in Sweden )

And there's Ole-Egil, still wondering why the call him "Old-Evil"

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@EntilZha

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I could laugh even though the dead animal on your food was still staring at me with it's cold, empty and lifeless eyes.

you killed bambi!!!!!!

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@EntilZha

Ah, the same way as it's done on Windows, isn't it? Well, you should be able to keep big big parts of the driver for the Radeon family, I guess but wouldn't you need to do a totally different implementation for other cards? Not that it matters, apart from the fact that it takes time, but time is money.

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@EntilZha

LOL, that's a good one. What animal was it BTW?

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@jkirk

No, they did!

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@AMiGR

a lobster?

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@Helgis

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Helgis wrote: @Mr_Capehill What is so wrong with being a Norwegian? Both Toaks and I are Norwegian and we're both proud of it

Every one knows Toaks hibernates during the winter its is alter ego that come on here at that time

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@olegil

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olegil wrote: @EntilZha But sex IS a bad substitute for Star Trek. Mind you, Star Trek shouldn't be had as a substitute for sex either, but that wasn't the point.

YES! There it is! I've been wondering about that quote Olegil!

/shoe

@AMiGR

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Ah, the same way as it's done on Windows, isn't it?

It's called ICD there, installable client driver. I just wanted to avoid that word since it means I'll be accused of transforming AmigaOS into Windows next

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@AMiGR

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What animal was it BTW?

I think "Old-Evil" called it a lobster, but in reality, it was, uh... well... yeah, a lobster...

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@olegil

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But sex IS a bad substitute for Star Trek.

Well, I guess some people would have different opinions on that...

Now, if you said Babylon5 ...

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@aldur

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@Mr_Capehill

umm yes i can write and speak norwegian but that doesnt make me norwegian

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@all

Well, guess what.

It's out.

So who's going to download it and give a try at an Amiga OS4 version?

I know, we won't see one for a while yet. At least not until that OpenGL implementation Rogue has talked about comes into existence.

Edit: ARGGH! Me and my "fat finger" typing.

Last edited by DWolfman on 20-Aug-2005 at 01:31 AM.

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@DWolfman

Mark 'bigfoot' Olsen has released five screenshots showing his Quake III port for MorphOS.
Picture 1
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Picture 3
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Picture 6

These screenshots were released after ~5 hours working on the sources.

The 2 videos released earlier were not fake but they weren't of the official Q3 but of a Q3 compatible engine that even connects to Q3 servers.

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