Just to make this clear. Eyetech did NOT make a loss in selling the A1's.
The price was calculated to give exact 5% profit & 5% for future development
which means 10% profit per board as Eyetech themselves didn't make any
boards. But they may have co funded the next gen MAI board..

In the 20 questions Alan even mentioned that he had made a prepayment for
a new batch to be made but was just waiting for the CPU prices to drop.
Then something else happened. Probably the problem with MAI and the chip
maker.
As I recall no more Articia S is being made.. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Also some money must have gone when fixing each rev of the A1's.

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@Hammer

Fine, IBM seems to be a bit more flexible in their customer-specific VMX implementations these days, still they claim to maintain "binary compatibility w/subset of VMX".

@T_Bone
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@T_Power Just for the record, he made the Caveman comment after he was called old and passionless.

That comment was made in jest, and relied on Carl's Rebol as the punch line.
Unfortunately he split the line, and removed all smilies.

To see the correct context of what I said, look on page 3, post #47.

But like I said before, shrug!

Cheers,
Tim

@T_Power

Quote:

To see the correct context of what I said, look on page 3, post #47.

It goes to show how important it is to read through the thread.

I missed your original post and subsequent posts referring to your post left me with the impression that you had meant to be nasty.

Obviously your post was meant in good humour and was quite witty - quite the rebol without a cause!

Unfortunately, sometimes, no amount of smilies or wit can work for people when a difference of opinion or even perspective can result in a total humour bypass.

@Colin_Camper

That's why we all need to have the same thoughts, religion, politics, hardware etc..

There's only ONE hardware.. AmigaONE!

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@Zylesea

a/b) Are there representative benchmarks comparisons for the new cores yet?

>d) e700 - the 64 bit cory by freescale. Currently put on hold

Do you have a source? Imho the e700 was more a candidate to go into the next
(2007+) generation of PowerQuiccs in 65nm.

>e) The PA-Semi thing has to materalize first and has no southbridge interface.

It has a very fine southbridge interface - it's even so nice you could put it on a super I/O card if you choose to.
Choices currently are ULi (now nVidia) or ATI southbridges for PCI-Express.

P.A. Semi plans to integrate southbridge functions such as SATA into future products.

>Freescale 8641. it will provide reasonable cpu power for a low price

How low? A competing (RM11200) dualcore chip based on the MIPS architecture is said to sell for $450.

>and needs only smallest ammounts of electric power

Probably at least twice of 7448's power requirements, no?
There is no magic pixie dust involved that makes dual cores consume less power in the same manufacturing process
and under the same system loads.

@hazydave, Samwel, Collin_Camper, T_Power, wegster, T_Bone, Seehund

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Oh my God .... sorry Dave.

So, in post #169 hazydave was responding a remark made by T_Power in post #47???

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Dave Haynie has become old and has lost the passion. ,

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You silly caveman! I have more passion ...

I must have been caught off guard by all the theatrics T_Power used in his response in post #355, as well as some of the comments made by others.

For whatever reason, I thought Dave was calling the rest of us "cavemen", when infact he was simply responding to a personal comment made by T_Power.

And then I jumped into the thread like a religious nutcase

MEMO TO SELF....

NEVER jump into a thread that is already 20 pages long without reading everything first, and seeing who is responding to whom!

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ppc4me wrote: @Hammer Fine, IBM seems to be a bit more flexible in their customer-specific VMX implementations these days, still they claim to maintain "binary compatibility w/subset of VMX".

XenonPPE's VMX128 extension is only partially compatible with the VMX instructions in the G4 and G5 CPUs. Also, VMX128 includes additional instructions.

XenonPPE is designed for XBox 360 in mind not with legacy Altivec compatibility i.e. as in Altivec enabled software that runs on Apple's MacOS X PPC edition.

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By the time x86 can go quad core you will be able to put 2 Cells on a chip (SNIP)

Not with DD2 Cell plans.

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XBox360 triple core CPU AltiVec monster is said to be less than $150.

Xenon PPE's L2 cache is clocked to half the core speed.

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@Hammer

>>XBox360 triple core CPU AltiVec monster is said to be less than $150.

>Xenon PPE's L2 cache is clocked to half the core speed.

Ah, so that's why it must be so cheap now!

@ppc4me

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XBox360 triple core CPU AltiVec monster is said to be less than $150.

Why is the chip in the XBox360 even mentioned as an OS4 candidate?
It's owned by MS and it's highly unlikely that anyone on the outside could buy one.
And MS are hardly going to let you put OS4 on their XBox360 when they can have some cut down version of Windows(like CE) on there.

In fact, why is there all this discussion about PPC in next gen consoles affecting the general PPC market beneficially for OS4? It's not like any of these chips, apart from Sony's, is going to be purchasable by any other company. Sony/IBM are the only ones going to let companies buy and use Cell chips, and that's the only one we could possibly get our hands on. It's cell or bust methinks.

And there are a lot of people thinking that we're dreaming if we think we could ever get our hands on Cell to run OS4. I don't know why they think that. It's at least a year, maybe two, away though.

And even if the PPE is poor on the Cell at least it's at 3ghz which ought to count for something in a Gighertz challenged Amiga land.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
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@BigBentheAussie

>>XBox360 triple core CPU AltiVec monster is said to be less than $150.

>Why is the chip in the XBox360 even mentioned as an OS4 candidate?

Huh?

Why don't you go back in the thread and see what I was replying to.
If you cannot be bothered I make it easier for you:

T-bone was claiming that "I've heard they wern't planning anything more on the high end, and embedded class CPU's were their focus, not Altivec enabled multimedia monsters that couldn't even compete with today's $150 x86 CPU's."

I just tried to set this right by giving an example that should prove PPC is not a bad or dead platform and high performance AltiVec/VMX enabled chips for a low price have already been made reality - and there are more to come, things are moving again.

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@ppc4me

Fine....I have tried to read everything over the several days this thread has been up. Would be nice if the site allowed the link to be coloured differently so that you could see what you read.

But what is irking me is that it appears to me that you are suggesting that PPC is not dead by citing a custom PPC implementation as the reason it isn't.

That custom PPC implementation in the XBox360 is not going to help the general PPC market. It is not, for instance, going to lower the price of general ppc chips or have them available in greater quantities. The XBox360 Xeon chip is so custom in fact, it's practically a stretch to say it's part of the PPC family. Maybe a second cousin at best. You can't buy it, so what is the point.

I've seen this myth perpetuated, if not by you, then by many others, and I am finding it annoying. Not every PPC implementation is going to help the whole.

And if that does not fit into the context of the discussion, then my apologies.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
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@BigBentheAussie

Nobody suggested that the CPU of XBox is a potential CPU for OS4 hardware, or that this particular CPU will make the other PPC chips cheaper/etc. We're talking about where the PPC architecture in general is going and looking at what markets it is currently entering with different chips. The XBox360 was worth mentioning I think, because Microsoft, the company pretty much responsible for the success of the x86, is using PPC chips in their new consoles, in fact all of the three main console companies are going PPC. It basically means PPC is going to dominate the home entertainment market. I don't really understand why discussing this here upsets you.

@BigBentheAussie

Can you spell spin-off? They have made the technology. They have to have a lithographic (or similar) factory at the correct size (65nm? can't remember what's used in the XBox360 CPU). Once this starts to produce sensible yields there'll be free capacity. It's not like IBM just threw together some transistors, clocked it at 3GHz and had a product. Even though MS own that specific design, it's impossible to own the knowledge and experience that results from such an implementation.

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@T_Power

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T_Power wrote: @T_Bone Quote: @T_Power Just for the record, he made the Caveman comment after he was called old and passionless. That comment was made in jest, and relied on Carl's Rebol as the punch line. Unfortunately he split the line, and removed all smilies. To see the correct context of what I said, look on page 3, post #47. But like I said before, shrug! Cheers, Tim

Oh yea, I perfectly understand. It's hard to say ANYTHING critical about ANYTHING in this community because the guy responsible is right over your shoulder all the time no matter what you say!

I was on slashdot one time and made some critical comments about Quake II... John Carmack responded directly to me.

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@T_Bone

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I was on slashdot one time and made some critical comments about Quake II... John Carmack responded directly to me.

What? You weren't directly "fragged" by him?

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@BigBentheAussie

>The XBox360 Xeon chip is so custom in fact, it's practically a stretch to say it's part of the PPC family.

It is definitely PPC.
Hey, how about a custom Amiga PPC?
This would not be possible with Intel for sure.

>You can't buy it, so what is the point.

No point, except you could try to buy the whole box and figure out how to hack your prefered PPC OS on it.

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Because Linux is not a compelling desktop OS?

Because there's no PPC processor maker focusing (interested) on desktop anymore.

Not surprising seeing the latest tiny desktop market has vanished with Apple's switch to Intel...

Leo.

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