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Samwel wrote: @ChrisH Woohoo the greatest language ever made is doing a major comback just in time for the release of OS4. Coincidence? I used to code alot with AmigaE around 1996-2000, especially 1997-1998. Great language, almost as easy as ARexx.

Hi Samwel,

Can you please PM (or e-mail) me a program* that is about 100 lines or so long to see if I can make heads or tails of it?


Actually, if anyone could send me an AmiBlitz and/or TrueBasic program they've done, it would be good too. (I've seen like 5 to 10 lines in magazines, and am not totally sure that I wouldn't be able to grasp it.)

I extend a heart felt Thank You in advance to any that forward something to me.


I've never seen Python code at all, but it doesn't sound friendly, just from the name.



* If you have something that's not top secret, that is.

@Atheist

Python examples
Ruby examples
Lua examples
Brainfuck examples
Fromage's 99 bottles of beer

Google's your friend.

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Fromage's 99 bottles of beer

What an excellent page. Look at all those languages!

Cheers,
Bean.

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Hi opi,


Well, well, well:

Compare Java
to C
To BASIC


#include ?
#define ?
MODULE_AUTHOR("Stefan Scheler "); ?

WHY IS SOMETHING SO SIMPLE such a crime?


And check out C++.

And after all that, the author's comment in the program says "Note that this will probably no compile immediately" on the first try as some other stuff needs to be taken into consideration! What a nightmare!

Then there's JScript/Net. Yuk.

I didn't look through all of them, but that might be the scariest one.


Can it honestly be said that still, anyone can learn this myriad of incomprehensible languages?

I'd rather be trying to find any logic errors than trying to figure out how to write it, and then later what it was that I wrote.

Okay, I saw E there and, well, let's just say....Well If you can't say anything nice then....

I took the Basic and modified it to AMOS Pro (The King).

REM Basic version of 99 bottles of beer
REM Modified by Atheist
REM from prior version found on this site.
REM (Modified to correct "1 bottle" grammar)

FOR X=99 TO 3 STEP -1
PRINT X;" bottles of beer on the wall,";X;" bottles of beer"
PRINT "Take one down and pass it around,";X-1;" bottles of beer on the wall"
NEXT X

PRINT "2 bottles of beer on the wall, 2 bottles of beer"
PRINT "Take one down and pass it around, 1 bottle of beer on the wall"
PRINT "1 bottle of beer on the wall, 1 bottle of beer"
PRINT "Take one down and pass it around,"
PRINT "No bottles of beer on the wall"

PRINT "We stumble and fall after it all"
PRINT "Time to sleee..."

@Atheist

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I took the Basic and modified it to AMOS Pro (The King). REM Basic version of 99 bottles of beer REM Modified by Atheist

You definately need to upload this to Aminet. It would make an invaluable addition besides Helgis recently uploaded MODs.

@Atheist

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Well, well, well: Compare Java to C To BASIC

Note that this is not a good comparision. The basic version implements the "basic" 99 bottles of beer program. The C version implements it as a Linux device driver. Hence, most of the code required for a Linux driver. The 99 bottles of beer part of the C version is actually the same size (or mabe even a little shorter) than the Basic version. The Java version is trying to show off fancy OOP class stuff. Really, the Java version could have used the core of the C version (minus all the device driver garbage), it's much simpler. Finally, the C++ programmer really wanted to show off his/her skills. Unlike the other versions of this program, the C++ version takes the time to print out the number of bottles of beer as words, not numbers. C++ templates are used to achieve this in a rather clever, but unfortunately difficult to read manner). Once, again totally unnecessary.

The problem with the comparison is that the programs don't do exactly the same thing. Each programmer seems to have added features to their own version rather than following the design specification.

Hans

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@Atheist

-> E version of 99 bottles of beer
-> Modified by Samurai_Crow

PROC main()
FOR X:=99 TO 3 STEP -1
Writeln(X," bottles of beer on the wall,",X," bottles of beer")
Writeln("Take one down and pass it around,",X-1," bottles of beer on the wall")
ENDFOR

Writeln("2 bottles of beer on the wall, 2 bottles of beer")
Writeln("Take one down and pass it around, 1 bottle of beer on the wall")
Writeln("1 bottle of beer on the wall, 1 bottle of beer")
Writeln("Take one down and pass it around,")
Writeln("No bottles of beer on the wall")

Writeln("We stumble and fall after it all")
Writeln("Time to sleee...")
ENDPROC

See it's just about identical except that it supports object-oriented code if you need it. That's why AmigaE is one of my favorite languages.

Last edited by Samurai_Crow on 15-Apr-2006 at 04:15 AM.

Hi Samurai_Crow,

I'm confused, as in, that's an object? (Not really knowing what one is.)

Also, if it had been a "Procedure" in AMOS Pro, would it not have been in essence, the same thing?


edit -- Silly me, I just noticed that that is exactly what you wrote..... See, I don't like when things like "main()" need to be put in, because as far as I can see, it is "nothing". Meanwhile, Procedures in AMOS Pro, can have variables passed in, or out, and are NOT mentioned, if not actually used.


edit2 -- Also redundant using () AND "" to print strings of text, also := doesn't make any kind of normal sense to me, when in school 2+3=5 sufficed with ONLY one "=" sign, and the SW can cope with only one "=". Also don't like or understand the use of "==". I normally know from looking if there is a comparison or a point to assign it a value. It seems like a deliberate attempt to frustrate and po regular people to me.

Last edited by Atheist on 15-Apr-2006 at 05:02 AM.
Last edited by Atheist on 15-Apr-2006 at 04:56 AM.

@Atheist

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See, I don't like when things like "main()" need to be put in

But it makes your code readable. It says this program starts here. That way, you don't have t o write "what's first, will be on the top".

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Also redundant using () AND "" to print strings of text

It's not. () are marking list of parameters, while "" marks the string, that's a parameter for the Writeln function.

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:= doesn't make any kind of normal sense to me

It's used to avoid common mistake in if(). If you'll type following code in some C-based languages:

if(atheist = true){
..
}

If will always occur because it reads: if I can make atheist varible equal true. And you wanted to value varible against true, like this:

if(atheist == true){
..
}

It's hard to mistype := in a if()

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frustrate and po regular people to me.

That, or maybe you don't have this "it" to program?

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@Atheist

I did post Lua & Python examples for you in the BASIC thread. In the end examples are smaller than yours despite of me being a novice in both.

link
link

Actually, Python might be a dream come true to those who hate curly brackets...sorry for this off topic rant...anyway, both Lua and Python have an interpreter mode where you can experiment, or you can run the scripts with ease.

EDITed links.

Last edited by Mr_Capehill on 16-Apr-2006 at 12:13 PM.

@Atheist

Sorry, but you can also make spaghetti code (non-structural, no classes except the main) in Java if you wish. And that C example, a Linux kernel module??! Same goes for C++. It's pointless to "show off" the language features for trivial hello world type programs. It doesn't serve the purpose.

I can write the 99 beer example in about the same space in C/C++ as you in BASIC.

Last edited by Mr_Capehill on 16-Apr-2006 at 12:30 PM.

@Athiest

You'll never learn another language if you take the attitude that "its not like AMOS! Its too hard! WAH WAH WAH!".

Just accept the fact that other languages are just different to AMOS, but it doesn't make them worse. I used to think like you, a long time ago. Well, not quite. I didn't think everything that wasn't AMOS was hard and therefore not as good, I just thought I wouldn't get the hang of all these "trickier" languages.

However, I taught myself Amiga E and C pretty much at the same time and it only took a few months, and from there I've learnt more than 20 languages.

Just because something doesn't work the same as AMOS, doesn't mean its harder, its just different to how you're used to. You just need to try with a positive attitude instead of "oh, thats not like AMOS, thats no good to me".

Now I wouldn't touch AMOS with a forty foot barge pole.

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@elwood who said Quote:

Could you post an example PortablE source code ?

Ummm, it (currently) looks almost exactly like AmigaE source code, except that it is typed checked. Well, maybe there are no good examples of AmigaE source code these days, so try this:

PROC main()
   DEF i, monster[200]:ARRAY OF PTR TO CHAR
   FOR i := 0 TO 199 DO handleMonster(monster[i])
ENDPROC

PROC handleMonster(monster:PTR TO CHAR)
   ->do something interesting here!
ENDPROC

Last edited by ChrisH on 15-Apr-2006 at 01:40 PM.
Last edited by ChrisH on 15-Apr-2006 at 01:21 PM.

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@ChrisH

You can indent with PRE tags and spaces I think.

@ChrisH

Ok thanks.
I just had the impression that your language wasn't like AmigaE. Now I understand.

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@T_Power who said Quote:

One important consideration is good documentation with MANY, many examples.

Yeah, once PortablE has matured a bit, I will look into that. But I will be relying on the existing AmigaE documentation until then, plus my own explanation of PortablE's differences. PortablE will be most suited to AmigaE fans until then.

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@BigBentheAussie who said Quote:

So, I'm a little confused as to why you would target possibly the least portable language first.

Not sure whether you're talking about AmigaE or OPL, but lots of reasons in both cases:
1. I know the language very well, having used it a lot.
2. The language is supported by my favourite OSes, which is good enough for me!
3. They don't have any real type checking, which makes it easier.

Also, I originally started working on PortablE so that I could generate OPL code for use on my Psions. That reason still exists!

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@opi
Looks like, err, BF is gone now? Bummer, not that anyone would WANT to really use it, still funny tho.

It's almost too bad the 99 bottle site wasn't more strict, some of the examples are WAY beyond the minimum..

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@ChrisH who said Quote:

what I was planning was something completely new to me (maybe even UNbelievable), so I had no way to know how long it would take, or even if I could achieve it.

(Oh dear, talking to myself now!)

I'm not even sure if anyone has ever done anything like PortablE before - when I did a search for programming language translators I came across some (e.g. a 50k line ADA to C translator that didn't even produce fully legal code!), but nothing that was designed to output to more than one language...

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