@AmigaBlitter

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Is it possibile to know a little about your plan without reveal precious secrets?

I think I have revealed that already.

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@AmigaBlitter

Interesting position you take, offer nothing, demand all. Do you own an A1? Do you own a Peg? What contribution have you made to any current "Amiga" system, donations, purchase, encouragement or whatever. Let us know these things and we can judge your right to demand answers of others.

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@AmigaBlitter

OK you got me, you obviously have a plan for AOS, share it with us. Whilst you are at it provide us details as why Hyperion should run their plan by you for approval.

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@acefnq

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Do you own an A1? Do you own a Peg?

I really wish to have one. Unfortunately there are no new amigaone around the world.

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What contribution have you made to any current "Amiga" system,

The passion that seems that you don't have?

Off course i don't want to be offensive, ace.

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@AmigaBlitter

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Is it possibile to know a little about your plan without reveal precious secrets?

Come on, it's so easy to know what must be done to reach Linux/Win level. Just compare these OSes and OS4 and you'll know.
This includes virtual memory pager, OpenGL driven desktop, memory protection, ...etc.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: Hyperion, what about a status update, progress report and roadmap for the os4? Just let us know what are your plans. Thank you

Hi AmigaBlitter,


Could I interject something here?

Honestly, I think AmigaBlitter meant he'd like to see; the following is a sample, not real whatsoever:


AOS4.0 Final released


AOS4.0 +
Bug fix upgrade
Extra programs that were not ready for intial release.
USB2.0, 1394 Firewire, SCSI, RAID support
nominal charge, 25 Euro


AOS4.2
Standard memory protection
Graphics drives for ATI cards above 9xx0
More optimization of C source code, and recompiles
Maybe more assembler routines added
DVD-RW "floppies"
Appletalk equivalent added, works through USB, 1394 Firewire, SCSI, Serial or parallel ports.

AOS4.4 64 bit throughout
Infinite swap space (almost)

AOS4.6
Due to high demand? multi-user support.
Version without, available too.
More programs added to "OS" to be treated as official parts of system


Anything similar to this.....

Dates aren't necessary as they would effectively be meaningless.

@acefnq
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Do you own an A1? Do you own a Peg? What contribution have you made to any current "Amiga" system, donations, purchase, encouragement or whatever.

Oh no, not this "What have you done lately for the Amiga?" cr*p again. Several years ago the question would have been "If you want to support Amiga, why don't you join the 'Club Amiga'? I did, I was happy to pay $50 for my membership since it supports the Amigan ideals" *faints*

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offer nothing, demand all.

Offering something to the OS4 market (e.g. developing) would usually require people first being able to buy one of those systems, no? See the critical point?
The willigness to spend large amounts of money for comparably slow and outdated hardware just to run OS4 is quite a nice "offer". Unfortunately, nobody is able to take it.

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@polka.

Yeah! O.K. I can see both sides here.

However I don't see the point in hassling Hyperion for timelines. They have shown time after time that OS4 gets developed no matter what the status of the 'official release'. Update 4 is a case in point.

The real urgency is with the hardware people, Troika, ACK, Eyetech, Elbox? - it's the timeline for these guys that count at the moment .... IMHO
Bearing this in mind - surely ACK could publish a photo of a PV (sans CPU connector!) just to keep the interest/momentum going.

Just have a look at a thread like BBRV's AmigaToo or the Hazys' Intel thread and check how many of those active posters have now drifted away due to lack of interest.

I hope not so many....

@Colin_Camper
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However I don't see the point in hassling Hyperion for timelines.

Please note that it's not Hyperion who published that timeline. Nevertheless, I think it's quiet interesting to see what the "plan" (or call it pipe dream) was at that time.

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@Atheist

Yes, something similar. Not to produce vaporware, off course. A timeline could be a business card for everyone interested in Amiga (Maybe the investors).

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@polka.

QUOTE: "The willigness to spend large amounts of money for comparably slow and outdated hardware just to run OS4 is quite a nice "offer". Unfortunately, nobody is able to take it"


Precisely my point, why do you bother with your inane questions. The word "just" seems to suggest you have other motives for posting here. If you have a better "offer" to run something better than AOS4 please go for it, invest, participate and by all means report back here on your experiences or successes and maybe even your failures. I enjoy my AOS pre4 release (as do I think the majority of A1 owners). If you really want an AOS4 capable machine wait for something to happen, provide positive input or move on. Even better, present an alternative HW solution, fully costed, with a busniness plan with total specs available for public scrutiny.. as you demand of others.


I don't care about the T-Shirt issue and I think that was pretty much resolved a looooong time ago, did you order one and yet miss out on the very public fix? If so please explain to the forum why the T-Shirt is still important to you. I will personally send you a pair of socks to allay your anst in this.

You must be a frustrated MSW user. Chill out.

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@Colin_Camper

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The real urgency is with the hardware people, Troika, ACK, Eyetech, Elbox? - it's the timeline for these guys that count at the moment .... IMHO

This thread is intended for everyone involved with the Amiga; in hope someone are looking here.

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acefnq wrote: @polka. You must be a frustrated MSW user. Chill out. ace

The only one i can see in this thread that needs to chill out is you

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acefnq wrote: @polka. QUOTE: "The willigness to spend large amounts of money for comparably slow and outdated hardware just to run OS4 is quite a nice "offer". Unfortunately, nobody is able to take it" Precisely my point, why do you bother with your inane questions.

If you agree with my point, why are you still asking such stupid questions like "What have you done for the Amiga community recently?" when all he wants is to buy hardware capable of running OS4 - but can't!? Isn't that enough of an offer? "Here is my money, I will buy anything, it just needs to run OS4!" And you are telling him all he does is demanding, not offering?

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The word "just" seems to suggest you have other motives for posting here.

Other motives than... what?

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If you have a better "offer" to run something better than AOS4 please go for it,

"Better" is relative. Yes, I am already running something better from a feature/technical point of view. There are other aspects of AmigaOS that I like. It's not that it can do anything "better" than current OS, but I simple enjoy using it, there is a nice feeling to it. What were you saying again?

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If you really want an AOS4 capable machine wait for something to happen, provide positive input or move on. Even better, present an alternative HW solution

I just don't think much will happen anymore when the OS will stay PPC and when the licensing scheme is in place. The past has shown us perfectly where this leads us. I can provide and I already did provide input how the future for Amiga look brighter. There is just one major obstacle: Amiga Inc.

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I don't care about the T-Shirt issue and I think that was pretty much resolved a looooong time ago,

Resolved? The amount of money they still the Amiga community is probably higher than their yearly revenues from Casino-games.

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You must be a frustrated MSW user.

Nope. Actually I am very happy with it. Extremely stable.

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@polka.

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If you agree with my point, why are you still asking such stupid questions like "What have you done for the Amiga community recently?"

Yes, this is a spurious and tabloid defence!

However, in context, these OS4/Lack of H/W threads have been exhaustively discussed here at AW.Net - and any ressurection, either naive or otherwise, is easily construed as a troll.
It's just the history, man! There's a fair bit of baggage around this whole topic now.

@Colin_Camper
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However, in context, these OS4/Lack of H/W threads have been exhaustively discussed here at AW.Net - and any ressurection, either naive or otherwise, is easily construed as a troll.

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The real urgency is with the hardware people, Troika, ACK, Eyetech, Elbox? - it's the timeline for these guys that count at the moment .... IMHO

Agreed. We must be both trolls now. Also count in people who can think beyond a "I am happy with my A1, stop bugging us about new hardware!!", people who have the strange belief that AmigaOS has a better future on something available, something which is reasonably cheap and fast. They must all be trolls in some people's eyes.

Ok, let's better not think what could be the best for the future, who needs developers, who needs companies, who needs a market?

We need some positivity:

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@elwood

Hi! A lot of timeliness and offensive words too ...

My opinion: well, timeliness are not necessary now,
when all of us are in "floating state". They would
simple mean nothimg but "plans and promises, again".

It is reasonable to celebate update 4, but for the good
reasons, asking for "WHEN" of update 5 (since we
will surely wait some time more for H/W) is OK
(sum of updates, which new features are
between "nearly" and "final realise", wjhat can be done
of more features and contribs ... ). BlizzardPPC
version, as it was several times announced
and presented - can it be at least "prerealise 4"
made so people can buy it now and get
full OEM whenever? This would be good for everyone,
it will bring $ and intrest to Hyperion, and I believe
wouldnt take much work then what they are doing now.

Meanwhile, H/W guys are to be asked for!
- Eyetech - are you making or planning to make AmigaOne?
- Troika/Vixxen/whoever - Is there anyway (preorder, e-mail campaign ...)
community
- Pegasos/MOS maker - Is there a possibility to negotiate
exchanging licences for MOS on A1 for AOS4 on PEG
and if A1 and MOS community can help?
- Can Peg company, Hyperion and AmigaOne ensure
native Peg/A1 on at least two contemporary PPC realises
by giving necessary docs/licences to Debian/YDL/other PPC Linux

So we know what can be done, not just sit and wait for things to happen or vaporize.

Now, we are users or interested users. This kind of PR everyone is doing, except few software companies and Hyperoon by constant realises (games working on AOS4, AOS4 web site, developers kit and prerealsie updates) can only make us
grow older and dependent on other platforms. So do something or we are doomed,
and you with us

And for the sake of situation, please do not flamme people around with this
kind of "what have you done lately for me/Amiga (unless you are a lady)" or "you have bad intetions, go home", because we are already small community.

Each man gone is a great loss, each one staying is a great possibility.

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@vox

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- Eyetech - are you making or planning to make AmigaOne?

I think that these questions must be more visible, not in a hidden thread of the forum.

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@Polka
@Vox
@AmigaBlitter

Gentlemen! I believe we are all in agreement, here.

Aside the benefits in having these 'open' discussions listed, above, by yourselves - I actually think this site gets a bit boring without these 'Big Brewhaha!' threads.

@Colin_Camper
@Polka
@Vox
@others
Who is in this Web site representative enought to report our thought in a more visible page?
Is it possible that a discussion like this can produce something good?

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