@tomazkid

Mupper is the §hit:)

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Samwel wrote: Just as funny as when you read all the #### that's said by certain users on other forums about this site and some of its members and still seeing them come back here and post more.. sigh Those people talk about fanboy attitude, stupid threads and such.. Why can't some people just accept that NOT EVERYONE wants AROS, MOS or whatever? You are a sad bunch of people. You know who you are. (not directed at you personally tmhg)

There are some people here, particularly a number of OS4 developers/beta-tester/users who feel that there should be a clean break between OS4 as the "true path to amiga" versus the other paths "AROS", "MorphOS", "UAE/Forever" and last but not least..."AmigaAnywhere/DE".

Personally, I feel that this amiga community should be the "sum of its parts", that everyone and their platform can contribute to the community as a whole. Even the trolls!

But I don't see this happening as long as there continues to be a complete lack of leadership from the people at the top.

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@Darth_X

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There are some people here, particularly a number of OS4 developers/beta-tester/users who feel that there should be a clean break between OS4 as the "true path to amiga" versus the other paths "AROS", "MorphOS", "UAE/Forever" and last but not least..."AmigaAnywhere/DE".

That might have been the case a couple of years ago when the "wars" were still on, but (aside from the odd troll, ie a tiny minority) I don't think anyone truly believes that any more.

That said, I do believe that there is a need to keep some focused web portals. I don't see people at MorphZone complaining about the lack of OS4 material there, so why should AmigaWorld.net be homogenous? we already have a few pretty good homogenous sites (amiga.org, ann.lu), however this seems to be the only OS4-centric site.

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@Hannibal_Smith

And I thought the moobunny honeypot had grabbed all the negative anonymous lamers. Guess this one slipped through.

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@gary_c

Indeed.

@bbrv
Your points are interesting, you indeed look at market trends and understand the "total" Amiga market is indeed very small.

I have an A1 XE and enjoy it, I enjoy the development which continues. I also hate the crap between the red and the blue communities and wished somewhere the parties could come together but that looks unlikely. Having said this, IF several(even some or one) new motherboards or "add on boards" capable of and licensed to run AOS4 do in fact materialise what will your intentions for the "Amiga" market be?

Will you continue to chase or hope for an AOS4 solution or ability to run on Genesi products or will you give up trying.

Would you try and assist MOS adapt to current (and new) AOS4 capable HW or will the MOS team have to compete with other open source OS' you wish to run on your HW. I guess what I am asking is what is Genesi's long term commitment to MOS if you are actively trying to promote AOS4 on Genesi products? Or have I got this all wrong and you just want the AOS4 community to move to MOS. I have absolutely nothing against MOS, it just seems normal MOS users seem to get lost in all this arguing.

ace

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@Hannibal_Smith And I thought the moobunny honeypot had grabbed all the negative anonymous lamers. Guess this one slipped through.

Please make use of the AR button, makes it a lot easier to detect this kind of posts.

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@acefnq

I agree, it's a bit hard to work out genesi's message. There will often be messages on this board with news of their hardware (or progress on their lawsuit), which sound like attempts to get OS4 fans to buy genesi hardware. That makes perfect sense, they want to sell the stuff they make. But then you will go to other sites and you will see genesi employees putting down OS4 and the people behind it. That sort of marketing is normally used when you want people to use your equivalent product (in this case, MOS). Bbrv seems to be fairly competent at marketing, so what exactly is going on with these mixed messages? My current tin foil hat theory is that he's got an embrace-extend-extinguish thing going on (get OS4 working on his hardware to move people over to it, then don't renew the license so that everyone's forced to move to MOS: genesi becomes the only game in town for amiga systems, just like Apple is for the mac ecosystem), but his troops can't keep their big mouths shut. With the current astounding level of competence shown by groups working on OS4 capable hardware, he might just get his wish...

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CodeSmith wrote: @Darth_X Quote: There are some people here, particularly a number of OS4 developers/beta-tester/users who feel that there should be a clean break between OS4 as the "true path to amiga" versus the other paths "AROS", "MorphOS", "UAE/Forever" and last but not least..."AmigaAnywhere/DE". That might have been the case a couple of years ago when the "wars" were still on, but (aside from the odd troll, ie a tiny minority) I don't think anyone truly believes that any more. That said, I do believe that there is a need to keep some focused web portals. I don't see people at MorphZone complaining about the lack of OS4 material there, so why should AmigaWorld.net be homogenous? we already have a few pretty good homogenous sites (amiga.org, ann.lu), however this seems to be the only OS4-centric site.

The difference between MorphZone and Amigaworld is that if someone were to make a post mentioning OS4 in the subject line at MorphZone, that post wouldn't be censored and would rarely get trolled. Could you say the same for a post here at amigaworld?

Either this is amigaworld or just plain OS4world.

Amigaworld is probably the best amiga community site in the world, don't ruin it by pushing for censorship of the other parts of the community.

Thank you and everyone have a great labour day, er week!

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CodeSmith wrote: @acefnq [...] My current tin foil hat theory is that he's got an embrace-extend-extinguish thing going on (get OS4 working on his hardware to move people over to it, then don't renew the license so that everyone's forced to move to MOS: genesi becomes the only game in town for amiga systems, just like Apple is for the mac ecosystem),[...]

I love conspiracy theories! Well, I (claim to) live in Bielefeld, no wonder I somehow love conspiracy...

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CodeSmith wrote: @acefnq I agree, it's a bit hard to work out genesi's message. There will often be messages on this board with news of their hardware (or progress on their lawsuit), which sound like attempts to get OS4 fans to buy genesi hardware. That makes perfect sense, they want to sell the stuff they make. But then you will go to other sites and you will see genesi employees putting down OS4 and the people behind it. That sort of marketing is normally used when you want people to use your equivalent product (in this case, MOS). Bbrv seems to be fairly competent at marketing, so what exactly is going on with these mixed messages? My current tin foil hat theory is that he's got an embrace-extend-extinguish thing going on (get OS4 working on his hardware to move people over to it, then don't renew the license so that everyone's forced to move to MOS: genesi becomes the only game in town for amiga systems, just like Apple is for the mac ecosystem), but his troops can't keep their big mouths shut. With the current astounding level of competence shown by groups working on OS4 capable hardware, he might just get his wish...

Mr Conspiracy


By the way, this isn't you, right?

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@Darth_X

AmigaWorld means just what it reads. That's support for AmigaOS in all its versions.
Not just OS4!
MorphOS is like a close relative. You invite them to everything and speak to them
now and then.

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@Darth_X

Btw the reason there's trolling going on is because AW is so much bigger (more
users) and these users have very different interests (using many different platforms).
This is of course no excuse for trolling but it's a reason compared to MZ where
only (mostly anyway) people of likeminded interest post.

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@CodeSmith

One problem with your theory is that -- apart from Ralph Schmidt being involved with both -- Genesi doesn't have any stake any more in MorphOS, though bbrv say they still want it to find a niche. MorphOS has been separate from Genesi for quite a while now, and I'm sure there's no reason why bbrv would go out of their way to try to win AOS4 users over to it. Was it in this thread that people were reminded again not to equate bbrv with MorphOS?

What I was told before, about the reasons bbrv post at Amigaworld.net, is that they want to build momentum at power.org. This makes sense since AOS4 is a PPC OS. The benefit for Genesi would only be indirect, as far as I can tell, but might help in the long run (or might help get to the long run at least). Actual sales to this market by Genesi aren't a factor, according to what they told me.

On the other hand, I don't know who you mean by "genesi employees" or "his troops" but every individual has his own ideas and preferences and is free to speak them. There isn't any Big Plan regarding AmigaOS, so nothing is upset if they do.

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@CodeSmith

I wouldn't worry about BBRV really. Why would he want to make a loss buying any
rights for AmigaOS? Just for fun? Wouldn't think so. That would be stupid.
One thing we shouldn't call them is stupid IMO.

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Wow, so many replies... didn't you guys see the "tinfoil hat" part? it wasn't supposed to be serious!

@Darth_X

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The difference between MorphZone and Amigaworld is that if someone were to make a post mentioning OS4 in the subject line at MorphZone, that post wouldn't be censored and would rarely get trolled. Could you say the same for a post here at amigaworld?

Stuff here normally only gets "censored" when the trolls show up.

You mention that MorphZone rarely gets trolled, while implying that trolling does go on here at AW.net. Red trolls would not show up here to stir up trouble, because it's a pro-red site. Are you implying that most trolls are blue?

Oh, and I'm not that Fabian Nunez. I prefer petty website politics to the real thing

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CodeSmith wrote: @Darth_X Quote: The difference between MorphZone and Amigaworld is that if someone were to make a post mentioning OS4 in the subject line at MorphZone, that post wouldn't be censored and would rarely get trolled. Could you say the same for a post here at amigaworld? Stuff here normally only gets "censored" when the trolls show up. You mention that MorphZone rarely gets trolled, while implying that trolling does go on here at AW.net. Red trolls would not show up here to stir up trouble, because it's a pro-red site. Are you implying that most trolls are blue? Oh, and I'm not that Fabian Nunez. I prefer petty website politics to the real thing

I'm against separating people into red and blue factions.

Simply put:
Amiga Community = Yes!
red vs blue factions = No!


Isn't calling oneself 'pro-red' like admitting to being a troll?

And its a shame that's not you, you can't get me Arnold's autograph!

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@Darth_X

Aren't all "pro-red" trolling fanboys? We're all stupid people who got sucked by Amiga Inc
and Hyperion.. That's the idea I got from surfing other "Amiga" sites.
The thing is that OS4 users never say that about MorphOS users. It's simply their choice.

Everything got better after OS4 prerelease got out but has gone bad again when no
hardware has been available for a while.

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