@itix

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Btw is it true that mA1 aka AmigaOne Lite didnt have a license?

It's irrelevant, since my µA1 runs AmigaOS 4. So if the deal was only between Eyetech and Hyperion, then nothing stops a deal between Troika and Hyperion, without AmigaInc involvement.
On the other hand deal between Genesi and Hyperion is impossible, and most probably covered by a clause in a contract, so no OS4 for Efika!

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@saimo

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Very interesting. They love Linux so much that they ask for Amiga.

Take me as an example. I use Linux (or, *NIX) exclusive in my work and home. But I'm still intrested in Amiga. As a hobby. So yes, I do like my *NIX, but I keep asking about Amiga.

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@bbrv

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Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree.

Now you've done it!

I wonder if you'll get an ansfer.

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@drHirudo

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It's irrelevant, since my µA1 runs AmigaOS 4. So if the deal was only between Eyetech and Hyperion, then nothing stops a deal between Troika and Hyperion, without AmigaInc involvement.

So: ignoring licence is OK as long it's not Genesi? Nice. Talking about double standards.

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@opi

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Quote: Very interesting. They love Linux so much that they ask for Amiga. Take me as an example. I use Linux (or, *NIX) exclusive in my work and home. But I'm still intrested in Amiga. As a hobby. So yes, I do like my *NIX, but I keep asking about Amiga.

That's perfect, in fact. It makes a lot of sense. It precisely means that ex-users are *not* a lost cause

saimo

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@bbrv

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From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck Date: September 18, 2006 9:58:13 AM EDT To: technologylicensing@amiga.com Subject: License Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree. Best regards, Raquel and Bill Let's see what happens. We have nothing to hide. We hope it works. Go Power!

Excelent!
I think this is what this community needs.
Less talk, more action.
I hope you get an answer, and a positive one.

(edited typo)

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@saimo

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That's perfect, in fact. It makes a lot of sense. It precisely means that ex-users are *not* a lost cause

Well, I do have Pegasos, but it makes so sexy server that I can't force myself to get MorphOS up again. It will change when/if Marcik will release Sputnik. Then I'll take it back from server room and use something that has roots in AmigaOS.

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@opi

What double standarts?
It's not my fault that the company bbrv represents, is associated with only bad memories from the past, by the AmigaOS 4 developers and users, while Eyetech, whenever how much you blame them, is actually one of the companies who made AmigaOS 4 reality.

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@Chip

Noone is laughing at the specs of Troika's board, we're laughing bout the state of development (which is in complete contrast to the spin Troika and their fans want to put on).

No I don't think EFIKA is perfect for OS4-desktop use, but it's still better than anything else available for OS4 (not so har if "anything else" is nada zilch¬hing).

@vision

How many of these hits are just people who can't believe it ain't dead yet ? How many just like watching a good soap-opera ?

Want realistic numbers ? Look at the numbers for OS3.5/9, and than remember it's been a 7 year decline since then.

@Atheist

OEM-deals are allmost allways done at a price-level way lower than retail, and $4.50 for a product that will probraly sell in the 10th of million over the next years (either that or it flops in a dramatic way) doesn't sound so bad. Actually IF Sony licences an outofhouse-OS it's more likely to be a big chunk upfront and some ct (yes some ct) per unit.

The idea that Sony would pay 0.5 billion $ (50$ per unit and 10,000,000 units) is just to insane, even for you.

But more important, there is NO hardware that needs OS4 (maybe except of few garage-incs), but OS$ surely needs HW. Thats something which needs to sink deep into the brains of those responsible before OS4 even has a change to become a "serious" OS.

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Hey guys, are you talking here to Raquel or to Bill.

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@drHirudo

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What double standarts?

Dunno, either a licence from AInc is required for every board (excepts CSPPC/BPPC) or quite a lot of officials and wannabe-community-leaders have been lieing for years.

Simple isn't it ?

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@opi

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Quote: That's perfect, in fact. It makes a lot of sense. It precisely means that ex-users are *not* a lost cause Well, I do have Pegasos, but it makes so sexy server that I can't force myself to get MorphOS up again. It will change when/if Marcik will release Sputnik. Then I'll take it back from server room and use something that has roots in AmigaOS.

Again, what you say makes sense, but in no way means that ex-users are a lost cause. Even if you are happy with the current Amiga experience, wouldn't the availability of an even better one appeal you? Of course, it would depend on the price, on what's actually on offer, on your interest, your life, etc., but I guess there could be a chance. And, even if not, why should it be the same for *all* the ex-users?

saimo

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@drHirudo

Maybe it's the language barier, but:

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then nothing stops a deal between Troika and Hyperion, without AmigaInc involvement.

As Amiga CEO said, they have no licence. So, your advice is to ignore Amiga Inc and just do it?

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On the other hand deal between Genesi and Hyperion is impossible, and most probably covered by a clause in a contract, so no OS4 for Efika!

But in case of Genesi, we should stick to the contract.

That's how I have understand it from your post.

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@all

NEWS FLASH!!!

We have had an answer. We have just ask if we can post it here. The first indications are *very* positive!

R&B

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@bbrv

This is definitely a first step. A bit late, seizing the chance offered by this sort of challenge here on AW.net , but I guess that it is better than nothing.
However, I must say I do not like this wording:

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Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA.

There is nothing like "license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA". There is just the "license terms for OS4". The minimally different "Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4. We are interested in acquiring one for all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA..." would have given it a much different taste. I'm probably going to be bashed as a hopeless nitpicker, but I find that humbler words would have made the request look a lot better.
Finally, no, I don't like this way of going public. You could have answered that you had not tried yet, then privately contacted AInc, and finally, at your discretion, let us know the result, reporting it without giving it any particular spin. I have a different view of making business, and I think it is possible to do them in a better way also in the admittedly particular Amiga community.

saimo

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@bbrv

See? It was not that hard, after all.
What a pity so much time & "blood" has been wasted until now.

saimo

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@bbrv

Put me down for one of those nice dual PPC970MP boards + OS4 please.

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@saimo

Wake up! Amiga is a Community!!! If you want participation you have to be open and transparent. Our last name is not Gates. Do you get it?!

R&B

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@bbrv


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Wake up! Amiga is a Community!!! If you want participation you have to be open and transparent. Our last name is not Gates. Do you get it?!

I'm up & running. I only have a different idea of transparency.

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@bbrv

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We have had an answer. We have just ask if we can post it here. The first indications are *very* positive!

Good luck! Past left aside, from the pure license prerequirements that Fleecy outlined a long time ago ("A formal approach for the AmigaOS would first of all require that the product be a PPC platform. It would then require that the device actually be available and selling in numbers that provide a business opportunity.") and the requirements that Bill pointed out in the recent Q&A, you should be one of the better candidates for suceeding to get an OS4-license.
I just wonder if you would be willing to spend any money on such an effort?

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