@ironfist

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Is this a crazy world or what?!

No!, it´s an Amiga world, a parallel insane universe

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@Fransexy

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Life sucks!

Meet my girlfriend, Life......

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@quenthal

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quenthal wrote: @ironfist Who knows what is going in the background? Maybe it is even in the Hyperion's intrest to keep ownership of ExecSG with Friedens? Got to admit, that hopefully those wanting to license OS4 with real hardware and intentions can do that without getting lost in the jungle.

Problem is, what user is going to plunk down lots of hard earned $$ for a fairly high priced motherboard with an OS that is shrouded in such uncertainty. So what if Hyperion can find a way to legally sell OS4 in this fashion. Would you invest your money into it? What if you did, and next month a major contributor to the OS decides he wants his code back an no longer wants to sell it as part of OS4. Do you see how potentially volitile this would make the OS?

@Seer

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Seer wrote: @Fransexy Quote: Life sucks! Meet my girlfriend, Life......

To me get a Girlfriend is as difficult as get an OS4 license

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@Herewegoagain

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Herewegoagain wrote: @quenthal Quote: quenthal wrote: @ironfist Who knows what is going in the background? Maybe it is even in the Hyperion's intrest to keep ownership of ExecSG with Friedens? Got to admit, that hopefully those wanting to license OS4 with real hardware and intentions can do that without getting lost in the jungle. Problem is, what user is going to plunk down lots of hard earned $$ for a fairly high priced motherboard with an OS that is shrouded in such uncertainty. So what if Hyperion can find a way to legally sell OS4 in this fashion. Would you invest your money into it? What if you did, and next month a major contributor to the OS decides he wants his code back an no longer wants to sell it as part of OS4. Do you see how potentially volitile this would make the OS?

Something similar i said various comments ago but seems nobody cares

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@Thread

Let me sum up (Shoot me down if I'm wrong!)

bbrv has asked Amiga Inc if they will consider terms for licensing OS4 for all Genesi platforms including the PegasosII. (This is big news!)

They have had a reply from Amiga Inc. that is tentatively encouraging. (This is also big news and a vast improvement on approaches made during the Amiga Too days)

Rogue has stated that he (they) have never been a barrier to this. That an agreement with Amiga will have to imply agreement by Hyperion. (As everyone knew that Hyperion would be having to do a port or help with a port - I think we can safely say this is old news!)

Is this a fair summary?

@Colin_Camper

And who is going to pay for the port?

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@Herewegoagain

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Herewegoagain wrote: Problem is, what user is going to plunk down lots of hard earned $$ for a fairly high priced motherboard with an OS that is shrouded in such uncertainty. So what if Hyperion can find a way to legally sell OS4 in this fashion. Would you invest your money into it? What if you did, and next month a major contributor to the OS decides he wants his code back an no longer wants to sell it as part of OS4. Do you see how potentially volitile this would make the OS?

Well, quite correct, and you don't even have to add talk about OS5 to this. Quite a mess

@Colin_Camper

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Is this a fair summary?

Yes, as far as BBRV and Amiga Inc. are involved in it. But, now there is more to worry about...

Some thought that if anyone wrote to Amiga Inc. they'd get no reply.
Some thought that if BBRV wrote to Amiga Inc. they'd get no reply.
Some thought that if BBRV wrote to Amiga Inc. they'd get a negative reply.

Some thought that if you wrote to Amiga Inc. and got a positive reply and had some money, you could get AOS ported to your hardware.

I think that is the one we are on now. Everyone is stuck on that one now. Amiga Inc. thinks it can be resolved. I am not so sure anymore.

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@Colin_Camper

Oh, it would be wonderful it was that simple.

But there is contradiction with this...
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Rogue has stated that he (they) have never been a barrier to this. That an agreement with Amiga will have to imply agreement by Hyperion. (As everyone knew that Hyperion would be having to do a port or help with a port - I think we can safely say this is old news!)

...and this recent post by Rogue:
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Amiga does not have access to OS 4 sources, they cannot have legal access to e.g. ExecSG since that is never covered by any buyback option since it doesn't belong to Hyperion.

@quenthal

So you though it was an easy matter...

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@Dirk-B

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And who is going to pay for the port?

Those who will buy HW+SW bundle. If There won't be enough copes of precious OS4 sold, then Hyperion won't recieve all their money. I think this is how it's done in the real world

@brotheris

So what you say is that the users pay the port and not bbrv?

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@Dirk-B

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Dirk-B wrote: @brotheris So what you say is that the users pay the port and not bbrv?

Well, this is probably most common way in "real world", as brotheris said. I'm not sure, but this is probably how Hyperion has done it with games when they converted them to ppc macs or classic amigas. Maybe it could work with OS4 too, since hey don't have to build everything from ground up anymore for Pegasos and other PPC machines etc. I think they have stated this already ie there is not that much work to be done to allow OS4 to run on Pegasos, since they are not that different machines.

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So what you say is that the users pay the port and not bbrv?

Well, who pays for your 'free' mobile handset when you sign up for a 12 month contract. The user or the telco.

I remember (I think) when Genesi were 'donating' $50 to MOS for every PegII sold. If they factored in the same 'cost' for OS4 then the port would be covered within 400 unit sales. 400 sales is an easily achievable target within 6 months in these hardware challenged times. Even if the Italians and ACK come through the PegII would still have the biggest market share due to its reputation for quality and stability.

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So what you say is that the users pay the port and not bbrv?

Sure, through sales. How do you view a business man, which pays some 50.000 out of his pocket and then sell hw with an OS that user pays and yet again all those money for OS sale goes to people that got 50.000 :)))
Are you telling for real that some "dumb asshole" should just throw away 50.000EUR for someone elses convenice ?
They might sell for Pegasos prioce + 100EUR, from which 50EUR go to Ainc and Hyperion for OS4 and next 50EUR for a port. You just need to sell 1000 Pegasos boards. Will they sell that much to this community ? I doubt it. To sell that many boards the price will need to be lower than + 100EUR.

So count for yourself

@Dirk-B

Genesi of course, who will get the expense covered through sales of HW + OS.

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SlayeR__ wrote: @Dirk-B Genesi of course, who will get the expense covered through sales of HW + OS.

..and this is sane business logic in amigaland...

@ironfist

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How can any software company hire contractors and then not own the code?! Ben Hermans is supposed to be a lawyer. Can he be this stupid?!

You're really funny! Did you know that?
A Swedish saying is "You shouldn't throw stones in glashouses".
You may want to think about what that means in connection to this..

When you don't have the money to buy the source you often pay for the binary
alone. Then contract the authors for updates later (or from the start). Or buy it
when you have enough money later.


@Thread

To me it seems pretty simple.
Amiga Inc. has a possible binary buy back clause. Meaning they can buy back
OS4 in binary form and sell it the way the please. Only when OS4 is finished of
course. This may be one of the reasons OS4 is late (hardware is another).
Hyperion has never let go of the sources (I hope) and none of the contractors
doing work for OS4 either I suppose. But they have signed contracts letting Hyperion
and/or Amiga Inc sell OS4 with their work in binary form.

It's the same way MorphOS development works/worked. Each party owning their
own work. But signing contracts for the final work in binary form for each version
of the OS released. Not letting go of the sources.

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Whats all funny, is that bbrv is a nice marketing man/person. As he gets the impression of doing things, but he dosent really care it seems. On MorphZone bigfoot and other morphos team members says clearly that they havent agreed MorphOS etc on EFIKA, while bbrv announces everywhere that it will. I dont know his reason for register himself here, as it seems he wants to do a lot, but dont get it thru or whatever because he dosent really listen to what community wants. I like bbrv and I like everyone else connecting Amiga communit tougether, but bbrv.. if you want to suceed you should atleast go to www.morphos.net and see the damage that Genesi have done.

You bbrv should do something,.. and its not just talk.. but handling. Please be openminded and yes Bill McEwen have his problems in life, I hope that you dont have the same things.

Also another thing,...:
I dont know how long I have been waiting for my questions to come into my mailbag from him. Is the truth about Amiga and Genesi etc so deep secret or?

bbrv would be a much nicer person if he actually stand up and made some real help towards Amiga community. Sure that bbrv have made lots of nice things, but with MorphOS-team not wanting to talk or communicate or release MorphOS for EFIKA etc. So then bbrv seaks AmigaOS4 community instead as an alternative route? Is thats the reason for you bbrv to join amigaworld.net I hope that you dont make any amigaos developers unhappy in the same way as morphos-team.

There is more than meets the eye or something :) If you really want this community back again with real strong words. Bring it out, be a gentleman and take care of this community if thats your purpose.


I wish to see all blue, red and black or whatever tougether again. But then things must be seen for the community, because WITHOUT this community, both Amiga Inc or Genesi wouldnt be as strong.


Regards,
Michal

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