@minator

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Was it you complained about the lack of force feedback? Someone hooked up a FF controller and a copy of Need For Speed Carbon - it worked.

And Spitfish announced a rumble alternative for the PS3:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/30/splitfish-announces-sensorfx-force-feedback-system-for-ps3/
http://www.splitfish.com/

Also, Virtua Figher 5 for the PS3 scored (35/40) @ Famitsu Magazine. Interesting to note is that you will be able to install parts of the game to the PS3 harddrive.

Blu-ray is dead and PS3 goes with it, down the toilet... The porn industry goes for HD DVD...

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Quite famously in the war between Betamax and VHS the latter won especially because the adult industry preferred it. If you have been around long enough, you probably remember that the very early home video rental stores were primarily responsible for driving Betamax out of the market. And those stores carried almost exclusively pornographic content. Although the market environments from then do not really compare to today\\\\\\\'s home video market, parallels are drawn between the Betamax-VHS battle to the ongoing and escalating fight between Blu-ray and HD DVD. One of the key questions at this years CES actually is Which high-def format will win the current format war - Blu-ray or HD DVD? Surprisingly, it seems that there is no such question in the minds of the adult industry luminaries. Putting myself through the arduous trek through the floor of the adult expo I did a quick straw poll on, the virtues of HD DVD versus Blu-ray, and the answer from a dozen companies, big and small, including Pink Visual and Bangbros editor-in-chief, is going into a single direction: HD DVD is the preferred format. Period.

read here:
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/


Now what do you say about that PS3 fanb0ys?!... YOU still gonna buy this expensive PS3 that will have nearly no movies and no good games?... Sony have bit of more than they can chew on, its no strange that other big companys now focus more on making universal players, that takes all formats.. Finally the dreamcast get its revenge on the stuck-up liar Sony....

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@Mr.Spackles

I rather look at it that if you buy a Blueray you are buying it for "normal" movies and if you buy a HD_DVD you are buying it for porn!
Atleast I wouldn't want to be found to have a HD_DVD at home!

@Seehund

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Are you planning to sell PS3s? Are you planning to market them to AmigaOS customers?

The cool thing about the PS3 when supported by AmigaOS4, customers can just go out and buy a PS3 just about anywhere they want.

Certainly I would like to support AmigaOS4 community anyway I can like I was always interesed in doing, this as a hobby user interested in OS4 myself, but marketing outside the current community seems more important to me for the long run, people who maybe haven't used the Amiga for years (/a decade), make them remember the fun they had with AmigaOS in the past, catch them by surprise that Amiga still lives and point out that they can actually get hold of the product cheaply on very advanced hardware (they may own already).

IMO currently it's more important the Amiga community sees this potential, especially people in contact with Amiga Inc and Hyperion. Jorge is someone who supported AmigaOS4 project from the beginning, he has a history of developing, doing OS4 Roadshows, selling Amiga products, etc. I am happy people like him already see this huge potential.

Though with regard to the PS3 we are also talking about large retailers being able to buy PS3 stock at mass volumes and thus the little boys may find it hard to compete in terms of promotions, currently the best deal I have seen is at CompUSA, they now have the 60 GB model in stock again:

For instance: PS3 60GB/Wi-fi + PS3 G-Pak Console Organizer and Travel Case + HDMI cable + additiona; PS3 SIXAXIS Wireless Controller + Resistance + Final Night Round 3 for only $599,99! A great deal!

Here
And no, I don't work for Sony nor CompUSA. But I think the more Amigans own a PS3, especially those working with either Amiga inc or Hyperion, 3rd party software developers, etc the more likely we will see PS3 OS4 actually materialize.

With regard to Amiga dealers, the partners could think about OS4 bundle promotions, maybe even in combination with product like Pagestream, Amiga Forever, Audio Evolution, etc. Amiga supporting companies need to already think about the way they can distinguish themselves from the CompUSAs, Best Buys, etc. Of course with regard to AmigaOS4 they have the advantage that this is their area of expertise.

Last edited by MikeB on 31-Jan-2007 at 02:16 PM.

@Menthos: did you think the same with vhs when the porn industry started using it??...

@MikeB: wake up from the dream please, your so pathetic.....

@ Mr.Spackles

Good news for you Mr.Spackles:

26 Jan 2007: "Vivid Entertainment announced that they will be releasing "Debbie Does Dallas … Again" on Blu-ray and HD DVD in March.

Steven Hirsch from Vivid is quoted saying: "We have had many challenges, but have secured both authoring and replication for Blu-ray." "

@MikeB

so what i never said it wouldnt be any porn on bluray.... its the same with sony beta, some movies will be released but only a handfull...

@Mr.Spackles

I'm too young to have any thoughts about it (and I'm 31). For me the war was already over when I entered the "video rental era". Today Blueray has a big following in the movie industry (except porn?) and i guess that was not the case then.

Also the movie culture is a lot different now from what it was then.

So: HD_DVD for porn, Blueray for 'normal' movies!

@Mr.Spackles

This has already been discussed to death, but its an old story based on old data.
First of all the basic premise of the story was that because there were more HD-DVD players and because it was cheaper to do a HD-DVD disc, the porn industry was going that way. Of course at CES, we now know that pricewise its the same, and Blu_Ray has many more players and that number is constantly increasing. In addition, actually at the Adult video show, two of the largest adult studios Vivid and Adult Playground both announced they would be going with Blu-Ray because of the much larger installed base of players. So Mr Spackles thanks for bringing up an old story, but its a non-issue. The joke at CES was be sure to go by and see the HD-DVD booth, because its the last year they are coming to CES, and that was pretty much the feeling at the show. As I told people a year ago, the decision by Microsoft to no include an HD-DVD drive, killed any chance of that format to become dominant and has helped and will continue to help the PS3 sales for a long period of time.
-Tig

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@Tigger

BTW BluRay. Is anyone here running blu ray on a 720p display ? I mean, with a HDMI (or component) cable and a 720p signal (not 1080i downconvert or such).

Does this work with the PS3 ? Can I hook up a 720p display and see HD content ? Or do I need at least a 1080i signal to make this work ? And HDMI only, or does component work as well (AFAIK, component always scales down to 480i/p, no ?).

I'm looking at the cheap 42" westinghouse, but that model only support 720p, AFAIK.

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@minator

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That it runs up to 6GHz means IBM can put them into faster blades (with lots more RAM). They'll most likely keep them at 3.2GHz for the PS3.

If they bring out a "WorkStation 3" with more RAM, 2x6GHz CELLs, 300GB HD and a BD Burner, well, that would be a nice desktop replacement. And would probably play PS3 games. Hopefully below $2500.-

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@Jorge

Currently 720p movie playback is still a problem with the PS3 (Blu-Ray movies have a native resolution of 1080p), but the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42" LCD ($1,197.00) supports 1080p. Most 720p display devices support 1080i though. Hopefully the European firmware update fixes the problem with 720p-only displays.

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@MikeB

I know the stories, but I'd like to hear that from someone who has actually tried that. I can't get the 1080p Westinghouse (at least not for that money). I see the 47" for ~ $1800, though. I'm looking for an entry level for now, below $1000, I'll go for the bigger one next year (or for Christmas). Since I got the PS3, I am in need of one more TV. Seems I started to play more and block the TV too much, hehe.

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@Jorge

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BTW BluRay. Is anyone here running blu ray on a 720p display ? I mean, with a HDMI (or component) cable and a 720p signal (not 1080i downconvert or such). Does this work with the PS3 ? Can I hook up a 720p display and see HD content ? Or do I need at least a 1080i signal to make this work ? And HDMI only, or does component work as well (AFAIK, component always scales down to 480i/p, no ?).

I don't know about the US but in the EU in order for a TV to say "HD ready" one of the requirements is that it can handle a 1080i input signal (even if it scales it to 720 or lower for display).

Pretty much all HDTVs now will handle 1080i signals, the problem is some early HD sets don't and they then default to 480i.

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If they bring out a "WorkStation 3" with more RAM, 2x6GHz CELLs, 300GB HD and a BD Burner, well, that would be a nice desktop replacement. And would probably play PS3 games. Hopefully below $2500.-

I spent a year working with guys who wanted to do more or less that. Unfortunately it all fell through at the last minute. However we weren't the only ones interested so who knows...

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@Jorge

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'm looking for an entry level for now, below $1000

Maybe this helps:

HDTV (TV tuner):

here Olevia 37" LCD HDTV 1080i $647

Small cheap Monitor($320):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112005

22" Sceptre x22wg-gamer
1680 x 1050 (built-in scaler)
1:1 pixel mapping
5ms response time
1 HDMI - hdcp compliant
1 DVI-D - hdcp compliant
1 VGA
2 USB ports
Microphone, headset jack, built-in speakers

PS3 user photos:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0192.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0272.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0196.jpg

Gran Turismo HD:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0173.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0206.jpg

Half-Life 2 on PC:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0138.jpg

Motorstorm:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0284.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/bill0527/100_0282.jpg

@minator

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minator wrote: [unsigned drivers are] not a problem with XP (other than annoying users) but IIRC with Vista that's changed - non-signed drives no longer work. Furthermore the driver can be "revoked" while it's working if the relevant company don't pay up.

Ouch!
I hadn't heard about this, and did some googling. Apparently you're not required to buy a licence from MS (á la WHQL), but you need to sign your drivers (any code running in kernel space). If you want to participate in the WER programme (Windows error reporting), only VeriSign signatures are accepted, and these cost $500 a year and only companies can buy one. Oddly enough, this only applies to the 64-bit versions of Vista.

Seems like e.g. 3rd party file system support, mounting image files, using better 3rd party drivers for Creative sound cards, et c., could be a thing of the past if one were to "upgrade" to Vista.

Anyway, Microsoft can get away with this. Hardware vendors are dependent on that their hardware can be used with the most popular consumer OS on the planet. Most companies make their hardware with only Windows in mind anyway, so what's an extra $500 to them...

AInc on the other hand, well, they seem to be confusing themselves and AmigaOS4 with MS and Windows.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Seehund Quote: Are you planning to sell PS3s? Are you planning to market them to AmigaOS customers? The cool thing about the PS3 when supported by AmigaOS4, customers can just go out and buy a PS3 just about anywhere they want.

Just like with any other viable hardware, and only if the licensing scheme is dropped.

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Is that a yes or a no? I thought the two questions were pretty simple...

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@minator

65nm -- yes details on other sites are leaking out. And the price cuts, though rumors, are being called for by the industry analysts.

Force Feedback -- something I'd like to see. Cool that it works on Need for Speed. Though it's questionable how many developers will make use of the feature if 90+% of the controllers on the market lack it. The early steering wheels lacked it which, IMO, is bad.

@Seehund

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Seems like e.g. 3rd party file system support, mounting image files, using better 3rd party drivers for Creative sound cards, et c., could be a thing of the past if one were to "upgrade" to Vista. Anyway, Microsoft can get away with this. Hardware vendors are dependent on that their hardware can be used with the most popular consumer OS on the planet. Most companies make their hardware with only Windows in mind anyway, so what's an extra $500 to them

Don't forget other companies do this stuff too. Take Apple as an example how many 3rd party drivers is there for the sound cards? There is some 3rd party file system support, rumors are NTFS support is coming. This seems to be so Apple can play easier with other systems. VISTA does have 3rd party file systems you can do NFS mounts for example.

@Seehund

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Is that a yes or a no? I thought the two questions were pretty simple...

The answer isn't so simple as anyone can make up from I have written in this and other threads. Support the PS3, AmigaOS4, other products sure that's what I like to do and would like to see other companies besides Fun Computing do as well.

AmigaOS4 on the PS3, that's up to other parties, albeit I am hopeful. Ranting against anyone who tries to push AmigaOS4 will not help anyone.

BTW, I did not bring you up in AmiGBG after-party discussion. People involved in sponsoring AmiGBG, also seemed dislike all the zealotery from rival camps.

Last edited by MikeB on 31-Jan-2007 at 05:09 PM.