@MikeB

I have run Linux using a filesystem over the network on my PC. However, the keyboard adapter I have doesn't seem to work right so I can't login to it.

You can buy standalone NFS devices so I don't see the lack of a hard drive as a barrier. People complain about speed, but I don't see a GC-based system as something you do "serious" work on, but use it more as a proof-of-concept and testing station and something that is quite portable and primarily used for leisure and web surfing and email.

The embedded boards proposed don't offer significant functionality over the GC at 4-10 times the price.

The Wii, like the GC also has 24MB of main memory and it runs a web-browser just fine as do many PDA's with less total memory. At the end of that thread, all the trolls became apparent and the merits of such a system were clearly obvious.

From a commercial point of view, the PS3 is no better a platform for OS4 than the GC is because as soon as you want to put a commercial product on the "target console", you WILL HAVE TO BE LICENSED to do so. Putting Linux and AROS on it is a completely different story.

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I could telnet into the GC running Linux from the PC but that wasn't the point of the process. Also, I am no fan of Linux. I want an Amiga-like system. There is an AROS developer currently getting his hands around GC programming and will hopefully release a GC build of AROS by the summer. He found some bugs in the libogc libraries regarding SD card access and is getting to grips with using two SD cards (1 in each memcard port via the SD Gecko's I sell) as a file system.
Interestingly, the GC's optical drive POT has to be tweaked to read DVD-R discs bit the Wii's does not. So AROS may be on GC/Wii before any other console.

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Did I mention that the availability of the GC vs. everything us un-freaking-believeable?

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More stats with regard to HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray wars:

Source: Home Media Magazine

2007 Week ended Jan 7

Blu-Ray movies outsold HD-DVD movies x 2.12

2007 Week ended Jan 14

Blu-Ray movies outsold HD-DVD movies x 2.61

Clearly the Blu-Ray's market share is growing rapidly.

In Japan Blu-Ray apparently has a market share of 96% (itmedia.co.jp).

If this keeps up it will truly be a great loss for consumers everywhere.

Once again rights will be eroded further.

On the plus side the numbers still go up and down on a daily basis.

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@Jorge

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might try it out, though. I won't keep it as a gaming TV, but my wife can have it later as soon I can upgrade that to a real 1080p...and it might be OK for a pure TV.

Make sure the screen is HDCP compliant, otherwise you will be stuck with 480i only.

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@Tigger

If HD-DVD camp manages to come out with $300 players from Chinese or something first, it might buy them time to build that mass. They don't have to be the top dog to stay, all they need is a market. I don't know if HD-DVD players are subsidized any more... A1 was I guess.

HD-DVD was predicted to die a quick death so many times and it is still kicking. It may die, sure, but I wouldn't bet any money on it yet. A lot certainly depends on the stamina of the parties backing it, if they start to pull back things would certainly erode quickly, but they may just as well battle this out.

Where I come from neither format is really readily available in stores. HD-DVD still has the majority in specialist stores, big stores don't really much carry either format. Both formats are so young and the market so immature that anything can happen - the regular consumer still buys DVDs.

I used to think like you do about HD-DVD for a long time and its still here giving Blu-ray some worthy competition. I think we need more than a few weeks of sales figures to call this one. It may end up like you say, but I don't think we can objectively be quite so sure as you seem to be.

@Lou

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From a commercial point of view, the PS3 is no better a platform for OS4 than the GC is because as soon as you want to put a commercial product on the "target console", you WILL HAVE TO BE LICENSED to do so. Putting Linux and AROS on it is a completely different story.

If it did need a license why is it such a problem? Games companies seem to do very nicely from consoles and they all need licenses.

however, you only need a license if you want you game to run on GameOS. Things like Linux do not require a license and neither should any other OS.

GC doesn't support alternative OSs, in theory it might be a nice target but it's legally a non starter. If anything actually wants to be used, it first needs a platform on which is can legally run. GC linux is fine for Linux hackers but it's useless commercially.

On the other hand Sony is allowing alternatives on PS3 - there's 4 Linux distros already and NetBSD is being ported (it's already booting).

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@minator

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Make sure the screen is HDCP compliant, otherwise you will be stuck with 480i only.

Yes, thx. Seems the W4207 has HDCP - but not on the HDMI, huh ? The DVI however is marked as DVI(HCDP) compliant...

err, well, no, found the manual online:

Page24:

Input Signal Video/Audio 
          RGB Analog * 1 (75 ohms, 0.7 Vp-p)/Mini-Stereo *1
             - H/V separated (TTL) for PC
          HDMI-HDCP x 1
          DVI-D x1 (HDCP support) / RCA (L/R) x 1
             - fh: 30-68 kHz, fv: 58-72 Hz
          Component Video x 2 / RCA (L/R) Stereo x 2
          Composite * 1 / S–Video * 1 / RCA (L/R) stereo * 1 (shared)

Compatibility 480i, 480P, 720P, 1080i,

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jtsiren wrote: @Tigger If HD-DVD camp manages to come out with $300 players from Chinese or something first, it might buy them time to build that mass. They don't have to be the top dog to stay, all they need is a market. I don't know if HD-DVD players are subsidized any more... A1 was I guess.

They need to come up with $100 players to stay in the market, and I'm not sure even that gets them in. The PS3 is $500 now. There is not going to be alot of people buying a cut rate $300 HD-DVD player over a $500 game machine that also plays HD movies.

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HD-DVD was predicted to die a quick death so many times and it is still kicking. It may die, sure, but I wouldn't bet any money on it yet. A lot certainly depends on the stamina of the parties backing it, if they start to pull back things would certainly erode quickly, but they may just as well battle this out.

No, HD-DVD was predicted to die once the PS3 started shipping. The fact that the PS3 didnt happen on the original schedule (and has yet to happen in Europe) doesnt mean that everyone who pointed out that the PS3 was going to kill HD-DVD wasnt completely right. There are more players by over a million now (actually closer to 1.5 milliion), Blu-Ray disks are outselling HD-DVDs, and while 3 major studios are not making HD-DVDs, only one is not making Blu-Ray. As I pointed out, if the top 10 DVDs 0f 2006 were made on the formats according to there studio, only 1 movie would be HD-DVD only and 7 would be Blu_Ray only.

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Where I come from neither format is really readily available in stores. HD-DVD still has the majority in specialist stores, big stores don't really much carry either format. Both formats are so young and the market so immature that anything can happen - the regular consumer still buys DVDs.

Walmart, Target and Best Buy all sell them here in town, over the last few weeks, the HD-DVD section has been shrinking and the Blu-Ray section growning. In the US those three companies sell over 75% of the DVDs, if they are phasing out HD-DVD, which seems to be the case, its game over for HD-DVD.

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I used to think like you do about HD-DVD for a long time and its still here giving Blu-ray some worthy competition. I think we need more than a few weeks of sales figures to call this one. It may end up like you say, but I don't think we can objectively be quite so sure as you seem to be.

Again its only still here because the PS3 has been out for less then 3 months. The numbers against it are staggering and not likely to get better. As of this month there are more titles on Blu_Ray then HD-DVD. Do you really think once Walmart or Target drops HD_DVD, that the last bastion of HD-DVD is not gonig to give up the ghost and switch to Blu_ray and then its really over. Microsoft reads the writing on the walls thats why they are ready with a Blu-Ray drive for the 360 when HD-DVD is officially over. In fact I'm guessing that MIcrosofts current plan it to make the xbox360 into a better Blu_Ray player then the PS3, better gamcs and we play Blu-Ray better too is likley to be a new advertisement.
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@Trezzer

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Trezzer wrote: If this keeps up it will truly be a great loss for consumers everywhere. Once again rights will be eroded further. On the plus side the numbers still go up and down on a daily basis.

What exactly are you talking about?
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BD+

@Trezzer

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Trezzer wrote: @Tigger BD+

Which basically is never going to be implemented and if it did would be broken in few days just like AACS has already been. In addition, if implemented, the lawsuits would be huge. Suddenly 4 million players dont play the new movie unless hooked to the web so they can get an update. Everyone would return the movie or sue over it. Its a great stick to talk about, but its like the US's nuclear ####nal, its not like we are going to really shoot the 3000 missiles.
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@Tigger

One can hope that it will be the same as with copy "protected" cds - that they have so much trouble that they more or less give up. I haven't seen a new cd with any DRM scheme on it in a long time. Then again I think that besides a Christmas present I've only picked up albums from smaller labels - the ones who can't afford to treat their customers like filth.

@Tigger

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the US's nuclear ####nal, its not like we are going to really shoot the 3000 missiles.

Hey! Did you just admit to harboring an aggressive head of state AND weapons of mass destruction?

@Trezzer

According to the UN we are allowed to have Nukes.
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No, HD-DVD was predicted to die once the PS3 started shipping. The fact that the PS3 didnt happen on the original schedule (and has yet to happen in Europe) doesnt mean that everyone who pointed out that the PS3 was going to kill HD-DVD wasnt completely right.

I guess my only point is, those who predicted PS3 would kill HD-DVD *may* indeed be right. Blu-ray certainly has the momentum and the right direction, no doubt HD-DVD is the underdog. All I'm saying that the end-all victory hasn't happened *yet*.

I still think, globally, a lot depends on the stamina of the HD-DVD parties and their ability to capture enough markets and market segments (again, globally) to stay. They don't need to win it all to stay (even more so if hybrid discs and players someday do become commodity).

We still have both DVD-Audio and SACD around, no matter how poorly those have done. Well, I guess PS3 will now finally kill DVD-Audio too and let it out of its misery?

If HD-DVD doesn't attend CES next year like you predict (well, that's easy to check come next year), it will likely be because some its backers got cold feet, I don't think it is because the emerging market couldn't sustain them for the year... HD-DVD stand-alones still outsell BD stand-alones, so those players are going somewhere and those people are buying movies to watch.

@minator

I think we said the same thing but you in many more words.
The jist of what I was saying is that if you are going to sell "any" commercial product (such as OS4), it has to be licesnsed. AROS and Linux are free. There is no commercial market there for Sony to derive money from. Who would buy a PS3 to run Linux in a business environment? They would build a cheaper (and more powerful and versatile) PC instead.

Allowing "free" OS's to be installed on the PS3 is Sony's way of justifying the PS3 as a computer which pays less taxes in Europe than a "toy". Also, it gets those hackers in through the front door where you can watch them instead of the back door where they rob you blind when you're not looking...so to speak.

My point with AROS or OS4 on the GC is you have CHEAP(extremely) & AVAILABLE(also extremely) hardware. So Hyperion releases, let's say Quake 2 for OS4 and PPC AROS, then we have a platform, that while it's the lowest common denomonator, it's useable for single purpose stuff like Amiga-games market until a full-fledged platform arrives. Then a GC-AROS/OS4 user can then run their PPC software on the platform they eventually upgrade to. I see few downsides in that. Heck I even could see new "casual" users giving AROS a shot on the GC and if the software was priced right, I could see some commercial growth there.

@Lou

Terra Soft will start selling PS3 with YDL pre-installed for an additional 50 dollars in March/April. (Optional HDMI cable, 3-button mouse and keyboard)

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submiting[hardware][sony]=1

The PS3 is by far the cheapest Cell development platform available.

In the news:

Worthplaying was able to test a few Lair demo levels.

"Knights wear realistic full-body armor and move with extremely convincing, lifelike movements, as ambient lights play off their armor stunningly with every move. Dragons are incredibly detailed, enormous beasts covered in startlingly life-like textures, from the heavy scales along their sides to the fine tracery of vein-filled skin that comprised your dragon's wings."

"Backgrounds are gorgeous vistas, the second demo level containing sun playing off of a river below you while lava boiled down craggy black mountains in the distance. The bridge itself was stark white stone, incredibly detailed and projecting light from its towers. The hundreds of soldiers standing upon it didn't simply fade into nothingness as you went to battle the dragons swooping around, instead shrinking into countless tiny armored figures swarming on the ground below you. "

"more than any other PS3 title that's playable right now, it shows off what kind of games and gameplay you can have on the PS3 that no other next-gen console can deliver. If Sony's stepped up PS3 production by the time this game drops in Spring 2007, though, they may find that suddenly they don't have to work quite so hard to sell people on their pricey new console. Is Lair a good enough game to justify dropping upwards of $600 on new hardware? If the finished product is as good all the way through as the demo build, then the answer to that question is a resounding yes."

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=38070&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

GamePro thinks the PS3 has the most promising games line-up:
http://www.gamepro.com//gamepro/domestic/games/features/95408.shtml

Update 1.51 available: Google translation from Japanese webstie:

"* PLAYSTATION®3 and the PlayStation®2 standard software performance in order to play was strengthened."

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@MikeB Quote: New God of War 2 trailer !!! PS2?

More videos here and here.

They have really pushed this almost 7 year old platform, they also said the game will take advantage of HDTVs, but:

http://images.redial.net/Colossus0002.jpg
http://images.redial.net/DemoArt0001.jpg
http://images.redial.net/Grapple0001.jpg

1280 x 960 resolution??? Wow, iIf so, the game puts to shame most next gen high definition games currently available in terms of impressive visuals. I hope this is the case, as with probably the PS2's technically most impressive game ever created running reportably totally smooth, this would debunk rumours that future PS3 games running @ 1080p couldn't possibly be the most impressive games we will see in terms of visual quality.

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=40305&mode=thread&order=0

more and more japanese are now turning their ps3 into a grill, becouse of the sony failur in bluray and good games...

read more HERE.




there is also now being produced bbq sauce to be used with the ps3 grill...

read more HERE.

you think the ps3 will still be a bluray/gaming success??...i dont think so but at least you have a new expensiv bbq grill.... hahaha!

@MikeB

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Terra Soft will start selling PS3 with YDL pre-installed for an additional 50 dollars in March/April. (Optional HDMI cable, 3-button mouse and keyboard)

Sounds like the future!!!! Do they sell their wares in the UK?

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