@BrianK

I understand this is a problem with the game, the problem is that Gears is (visually) impressive from the start, but IMO doesn't actually manage to grow much along the way. I think for many the highlight was their first encounter with the blind angry Beserker. I think the Gears way of designing a game, is a better way to sell it to gamers who only have a few minutes to test the game at a store. But to quote someone who also finished Resistance.

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Resistance is a great game. I'd put it up there with the top 3 FPS I've played this includes HL, HL2, NOLF, and the best of those games. Don't be an early judge of the game, the first 90 minutes or so is basically introducing you to the game and it's fairly easy.

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If you have played for less than 2hours, you haven't seen anything really what the game has to offer. Keep playing...it will GROW on you.

After Resistance: FOM I can't wait to play its sequel.

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@Trezzer

SCART has a RGB + H/V sync (and a composite) signal on it. The (optional) RGB is 15Khz/50Hz (maybe 60Hz PAL). There is nothing like NTSC Scart. Some SCART connectors don't even have RGB pins, some do. Composite is always there. The RGB pins are the same as in a 15pin VGA connector, but well, nobody uses SCART for signals >15KHz, but if the pins on the other end would send them, they would certainly be there.

One could modify a Graphics card from VGA to Scart and if you would set your resolution to 15KHz/50Hz could could hook it up to a TV (if the TV supports RGB signals, some do). OTHO, if you would modify a monitor to a scart connector, and the source can deliver RGB signals, you would be able to use that, too.

Err, what I'm trying to say. If the PS2 connector on the PS3 can output RGB signals (which I am not sure of), it should be possible to modify a scart cable (in the hope it caries RGB signals, not just composite) to hook it up to a VGA monitor which then would run VGA without HDCP. Or - it would be even easier, if some 3rd party would offer a PS3 VGA cable...(OTHO, if HDIM would carry analog signals, too - which it does not AFAIK - a HDMI->DVI->VGA solution would be possible).

BTW: Seems there is no separate H/V sync on the MultiAV port, but only a compsite sync, which would require a monitor which can handle the (linux required a sync on green monitor). See: http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/psxav.htm

and VGA on PS3 discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=731944

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@Jorge

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And the difference is: none. You have an app on a DVD/HD and start it. Same effect

Actually the difference is quite a bit to the user. If you use Linux on the PS3 do you not lose the interfaces to the PS3 OS until one switches back to it?

@BrianK

Yes you do.

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@MikeB

I like that a game starts with all the bells and whistles and doesn't change much. I don't want to have to play 10 hours to get something that should have been there at the beginning.. Now I get why developers might want to ease you into the controls but that should be short 15-30 minutes at most then give me the meat.

GoW ending was a bit anti-climatic but I'd put it up there as one of the top 3 TPS on the market. After GoW I can't wait for the sequel. I can see it easily moving towards more of the sandbox model.

@Jorge

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Jorge wrote: Yes you do.

Well then there is your difference. On the 360 you load XNA and play games and you retain the 360 OS. When you use Linux on the PS3 you lose the PS3 OS and have to switch back to it. Playing a game on the console users typically do not want to switch between OSes and GUIs.

@BrianK

Well, I don't know. We are talking about home brew here any way. The Joe Average would prefer to go into the PS3 store (or XBL) and download his favorites puzzle game from there. People doing some home brew stuff wouldn't care any way.

If I can burn a self running CD to show you my last demo achievements, we are not Joe Average any more, no ?

What you describe is wishful thinking. That all of a sudden the 360 is an Eldorado for the home coders to spread their wares across the XBL. We'll see. Maybe it'll come.

BTW: I would like to have an XMB option to start another OS like a game or video, too, rather then the need to reboot whenever I start Linux.

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@Jorge

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There is nothing like NTSC Scart.

You can output SCART through NTSC as well as PAL and PAL60. SCART just isn't used much outside of Europe. That was what I meant really.

I looks like most people will be out of luck for now with VGA and PS3 - especially considering that sync on green apparently isn't a feature most monitors support.

I guess third party solutions will show up sooner or later.

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OTHO, if HDIM would carry analog signals, too - which it does not AFAIK

Yeah, some DVI variations support analogue, but not HDMI IIRC.

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If the PS2 connector on the PS3 can output RGB signals

If it is identical to PS2 it should output RGB. Since people can use old component and s-video cables I suppose it is.

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in the hope it caries RGB signals, not just composite

One should certainly hope so.

Either way... since using a third party video cable with a PS3 effectively voids your warranty according to Sony, I guess building your own is frowned upon.

@Jorge

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Well, I don't know. We are talking about home brew here any way. The Joe Average would prefer to go into the PS3 store (or XBL) and download his favorites puzzle game from there. People doing some home brew stuff wouldn't care any way...We'll see. Maybe it'll come...

Exactly and the XNA solution is closer. It is a plug-in to the OS so if Microsoft decided they could add it to a future patch and everyone would get it. Then home users could make their content available on XBL. One of the things Microsoft talked up was how the home user would make and sell their own stuff on XBL. It hasn't come yet but is an ambious direction to try and achieve. But the XNA is closer to this ability then load up Linux alternative.

XNA Creator's Club makes this reality closer see the bottom statement...
Q: How can I share my Xbox 360 game built with XNA Game Studio Express with other Xbox 360 users?
A: To share your Xbox 360 game with friends, four requirements must be met:
...
The game project, including all source and content assets, must be shared with the receiving user. The receiving user then compiles and deploys the game to their Xbox 360.

We are actively working on other ways to allow you to more easily distribute your games and are very excited about the possibilities this will open up for independent game development.

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Seems like that next step is likely the compiled sharing XNA members across XBL they'd approve a deployment to their system. Likely though it'll be XBL w/ subscription to XNA Creators Club.

@Trezzer

Yes, one could relatively build a cable which generates H/V sync out of the composite sync. AFAIS that's just one chip which would fit into the connector

BTW: I just found this:

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/dvihtovgaco.html

A little bit pricey, though.

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@Jorge

That looks practical.

I'm going to have to look into getting various adapters and switchers. I'd prefer it if I can keep everything on VGA or DVI, but my current KVM requires an active PS/2 keyboard connection - otherwise it assumes the other machine is not available. *sigh* Tech. ^_^

@BrianK

Hm, well, but it doesn't seem to be that easy. At least not like, go into the store, download and play.

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XNA Creator's Club makes this reality closer see the bottom statement... Q: How can I share my Xbox 360 game built with XNA Game Studio Express with other Xbox 360 users? A: To share your Xbox 360 game with friends, four requirements must be met: ... The game project, including all source and content assets, must be shared with the receiving user. The receiving user then compiles and deploys the game to their Xbox 360.

That seems like you at least need a PC to run XNA and compile it, or no ?

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@Jorge

I think that the key is the second part of the answer. That's how it is now but they are looking for way to just let you simply deploy.

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This is unlikely for several reasons.

I understand this, people were very sceptical regarding the Playstation 2 as well, but I think for the long run we will see many converts, I think the media coverage will turn around eventually as well.

Ars Technica staff member after finally getting his hands on a PS3 and playing some Gran Turismo demo and Formula One:

PS3: the skeptic's conversion

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History, it seems, might be repeating itself. I must say that I have found the PS3 to be somewhat underwhelming; too expensive, rushed to market, no rumble in the controllers, no true equivalent to Xbox Live. But if I'm honest, all of those complaints were made without any first-hand experience with the system. Until last weekend, that is. After sitting down and getting to grips with both GT:HD, and the demo for the new Formula One 2006 game, I'm suddenly quite glad our new amp has a free HDMI connection.

@AMiGR

Hm, I just can't imagine, that MS approves something which is free

Well, SONY will maybe come up with something similar, too. If we talk about future.

OTHO, I don't need a PC to utilize the PS3, but could code directly on it, I like that too. (I don't say one vs. the other, these are just different options).

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@Jorge

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Hm, I just can't imagine, that MS approves something which is free

Just because it's free it doesn't mean it doesn't hold value. If it attracts more happy consumers, it will attract more commercial developers. I'm thinking MS won't mind the bandwidth usage for it - especially considering that they already have revenue from Live Gold.

After all they have stated they intend to make it the Youtube for games. Why is youtube popular? It's free. I'm guessing we'll be seeing lots of free content and rating systems.

@Trezzer

I totally agree. Its just, MS never gave away anything for free without intent.

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@Jorge

I dunno. They do support all sorts of charities.
As far as regular consumers go they're first and foremost a business.

@Jorge

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That seems like you at least need a PC to run XNA and compile it, or no ?

You cannot give binaries to other members of the club to run. The only way to distribute apps is to giving away all of your source code. Others could, obviously, use your source and work as small uncoordinated groups on a game.. A fully open and shared source model.

I haven't tried it so have to flag as a rumor until I do. But you can write the compiled binaries to a CD or DVD and give them to your friends. Just as you want to do with a ready Linux environment + game on a disk. The plus of this method is again you aren't replacing the OS so the look/feel is consistent.

Next step is the 'youtube' of gaming. Hope is that Microsoft shall be approving free binaries and making them available. Also an XNA Gaming Studio is cutting for those smaller houses, or individuals, which want to make and sell a commerical game the price for this is under $1K and thus one of the lowest cost development gaming suites on the market.

There's an XNA Nintendo Emulator.. the real power app would be someone doing an XNA version of Bleem.

@Jorge

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I totally agree. Its just, MS never gave away anything for free without intent.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org ---- I suppose giving away free vaccines has the intent of helping ensure the health of the empovershed so yes you're right there's definitely intent there.