@Legion

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Legion wrote: @pikadroo Do you also wear a tin foil hat and operate a Ham radio with any frequency?

Now, what kind of a comment is that?

pikadroo has some concerns which he'd like constructive comments on. Is yours?

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Moxee
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@pikadroo

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@Legion Well, I suspect you complained to Moxee that I insulted your beloved Hyperion.

No, he did not. You laid the ground work for that editing yourself. Complain all you want, but leave the insulting and flames out of it.

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This will speak to another Amiga issue I have with this site. Although this part of the message will be edited to protect yourself and the makers of OS4. It is the editing of messages by AmigaWorld.net staff that reflect the frustration of current Amiga users that are at the heart of the fraud that is being perpetrated on all of us.

I am sure you know better than that. The editing gets done when someone breaks the TOS. The editing does not cause the frustration. The frustration causes the editing.

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This will be the last message I post or respond to here as clearly users aren't allow to discuss anything but the Amiga company line.

You know that is not true. You can discuss anything you want. All you have to do is to be polite and follow the TOS. As far as I know you have been doing that all along. I think I just caught you in a slip up.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@jorkany

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Other people have reported in more detail the problems with 68K compatibility in OS4 Final. Perhaps the original poster felt that these problems have been discussed enough that there was no point in posting additional information regarding a fairly well known issue?

Perheaps, yeah. Perheaps you should bring facts instead of specutalting. Perheaps you are doing it with a purpose. Perheaps, yes.

@pikadroo

Please provide binaries, crashlogs, step by step descriptions about your problem instead of complaining. Thank you.

@Moxee

Here is his post, in its entirety, including your edit:

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I have absolutely had it with OS4 Final. In the first 2 versions of the OS4 it was very easy to run a BBS. At this point I can't understand how anyone is using OS4 Final to run any 68K programs. EDIT: No insults nor flames, please. Moxee In the beginning there were a few programs that wouldn't work anymore over the BBS. Now I am finding most of them don't and I can't run a BBS on Wheel of Fortune alone. Development of a PPC version of CNet isn't a realistic solution anytime soon, and at this point it's easier for me to sell the "Amiga" hardware I have and invest in a PC system that can run WinUAE. That being said... For those sysops out there that have put money into this crap hardware on the belief of a useable OS. We need a EUAE that supports BSD SOCKETS, and if I could do it I would but I can't cus I dunno how. So I need this now cus I can't run this OS and hardware any other way. I understand all about the compatibility and I could always go back to the original OS release. However, that brings up all sorts of other issues. For those of you that want to respond to this with cracks about BBSing not being relevant in 2007. I would simply ask how relevant is it to built all this hardware and software just to make boing balls? I need emulation solutions and help here. EUAE needs to be able to have access to the network. .

I've re-read it three times. Please show me which sentence or phrase suggests to the reader that that author is seeking constructive comments.

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@Legion

Apart from the editing part, he is expressing his opinion and you should respect that. Whether you like it or not is grossly irrelevant, unless if you can *constructively* counter his opinions and that should only ever be done as per the TOS. Your tinfoil hat & ham radio comment was plainly rude.

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@Colin_Camper

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Colin_Camper wrote: @TetiSoft although the Friedens could learn a little about PR and customer relations

I think someone should be designated specifically for this. Programmers like their technical discussions (read: arguements ) and it's next to impossible to be involved in them when you are expected to wear a PR face too.

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@staff

Communications in regard to bug reporting, etc.:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13144&forum=15

Maybe there are some ideas here still worth having a look at?

#6

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@number6

I'd prefer this forum:
http://amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=299&forum=22

@Chip

"Also please only report OS Components or Contribs here please."

are you sure it is the right forum to report 68k apps not working under AmigaOS4?

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@Chip

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I'd prefer this forum:

ok. Noted.
One of the problems is now trying to track an issue across multiple sites.
The other day, for example, I noticed a user describing 2 problems. While I was addressing one on AW, Tetisoft was asking him about it on Amigans. Then the original poster has to update on both sites to keep everyone up to date.
This is not optimal situation.
...and frankly I don't know how to deal with it.

#6

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@pikadroo

You could try one more thing: comment out Petunia from the kicklayout so that it's globally disabled. This can prove that it's not a JIT problem.

Apart from that, you really have to provide some more useful bugreport, if you want your problems fixed. Blaming the OS is easy, but it won't solve your problem, and just because something worked in an older version of an OS doesn't mean that it's the OS's fault. For example DvPlayer started failing when the new memory system was introduced and it turned out that there was a really nasty bug in the DvPlayer startup code, which for some mysterious reason did not cause a crash at startup on the old memory system. Software which is not written in a system-legal way or has bugs and does nasty things is almost guarranteed to fail on some future version of the OS. Going from 1.3 to 2.x was a whole lot worse, and OS4 contains a lot of tricks to try and get buggy old software to work but there's a limit to what is acceptable/possible.

I suggest that you do the following:

1. Send the OS4 developers a detailed report of what the problem is and how to reproduce it, exactly when it stopped working, etc. so that they know about it and if possible, provide a solution.
2. If the software is still in development, contact the authors of the software and let them know that you have problems with it.

@Framiga

Nice try, but he blames OS4 itself, so it should be reported there, yes.

@Legion

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Quote: I need emulation solutions and help here. I've re-read it three times. Please show me which sentence or phrase suggests to the reader that that author is seeking constructive comments.

The first sentence of the last paragraph is asking for help. It goes without saying that he wants constructive help.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@Chip

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Nice try, but he blames OS4 itself, so it should be reported there, yes.

Why?

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@tomazkid

Read #6's post #30 again. It only makes sense to keep problem threads in 1 place instead of scattered all over, just makes it easier & faster to respond to each case. Yah, I know it's on amigans.net, but they set up a forum for os4 bug reporting & AW didn't. Wasn't like we didn't ask for one, but AW is not very flexable when it comes to change.

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@TetiSoft

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Well, thats not a problem, but its a problem when those users expect some bugfix without describing the exact problem, and its IMHO unfair behaviour to complain in a worldwide forum.

Where the hell else is he supposed to complain?

It's not like Hyperion or Amiga Inc have official support procedures in place.

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@Chip

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@pikadroo Please provide binaries, crashlogs, step by step descriptions about your problem instead of complaining. Thank you.

God forbid a paying customer should complain about a faulty product.

What were you thinking of Pikadroo?

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@nicholas

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@TetiSoft Quote: Well, thats not a problem, but its a problem when those users expect some bugfix without describing the exact problem, and its IMHO unfair behaviour to complain in a worldwide forum. Where the hell else is he supposed to complain?

I dont know if there exists some language barrier here, for me the problem
is not the place (where) but the action. Its IMHO ok to *report* or to *describe*
or to *tell* something, but *complaining* worldwide should not be done before
reporting, especially when its not known yet to anybody if its OS4 which should
be blamed or not.

Before the initial post was edited, it contained a sentence with the words
"Hyperion", "OS4" and "joke" IIRC, which was a bit too harsh IMHO. Nevertheless
I tried to ignore it. But then a followup complained about the fact that the
post was ignored so I tried to explain why complaints are ignored (but reports
may be not ignored).

In the meantime we had dozends followups in this thread and its still unknown
which program(s) exactly doesnt work anymore, so IMHO the complete thread is
still useless, all it can be used for is to test the patience of the developers

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It's not like Hyperion or Amiga Inc have official support procedures in place.

Some OS4 preferences editors have an "About..." menu entry which mentions an
E-Mail address which looks like an official address. But I dont know if such
a mail would be forwarded from amiga.com to somebody who is actually able
to fix a problem As already written, using worldwide forums to report
problems is fine IMHO, using them for complaints is not.

@TetiSoft

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Before the initial post was edited, it contained a sentence with the words "Hyperion", "OS4" and "joke"

Wow, completely taken out of context I am the bad guy. Interesting how my exact comment can be taken out of context, continued in flames and insluts on me, and yet mine is the only message that has been edited to protect a corperation. Even after the insult to me was acknowledged staff it was ignored and allowed to remain in the thread.


@All

Ya know all I wanted was some help, ideas and maybe to vent a little with like minded people. All I have been is more upset by all this. Clearly there is a problem in how the define "support" among admins of this site.


@Staff

I expect my account to be removed in 24 hours. That's all I really have to say.

Drew

@Chip

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Chip wrote: @number6 I'd prefer this forum: http://amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=299&forum=22

It's funny to see you recommend "amigans.net" - a site whose *whole purpose* is moderation - to someone that obviously doesn't like being moderated...