@gary_c
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I don't know of any information that proves he's a liar and a hoaxer and not just a guy who isn't realistic about what he can do and can't restrain himself making over-optimistic projections. I

It is proof enough that he said years ago that the powervixxen had gone into production, while it later turned out that this was not the case at all. We did not even get the photograph that had been promised, which makes it really look like there were never any boards at all.

@glittering

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glittering wrote: Claiming the powervixxen was in production and the manuals was being printed was outright lies which makes him a liar, as for the other stuff he claims. He has not (in years) provided one single piece of proof that these products are real, which just look like a hoax

If this is the actual claim he can surely show us some powervixxen boards and quickly clear this up. Hatschi seems to support that this claim was made. Has he ever been pressed on this? This would show the difference between someone who suffers from too high hopes vs. someone directly misleading the Amiga community.

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Doesn't someone claim they sent him 1200 connector samples and never returned them, even pretending to be someone else on the phone when they tried to inquire on getting their property back?

Yes, that was on a thread on Amiga.org a short while ago where some people was even claimed they sent him hardware to be repaired but heard nothing again. removed libel - Seer

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If this is the actual claim he can surely show us some powervixxen boards and quickly clear this up.

Just type "powervixxen production" in google or any other search engine, the words came directly from the hoaxer.

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Has he ever been pressed on this?

People have been asking him to provide proof for years with zero results, the guy has proven what sort of person he is.

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Do we hear a statement from ACK ?

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_PAB_ wrote: Do we hear a statement from ACK ?

How reliable any statement would be is the question.

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@fairlanefastback

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If this is the actual claim he can surely show us some powervixxen boards and quickly clear this up. Hatschi seems to support that this claim was made. Has he ever been pressed on this?

There was an IRC-session with the Frieden's on 28 December 2005. In the aftermath of the IRC-interview, ACK stepped forward and announced that the Powervixxen went into production, which came as a surprise to many.

Quote from the IRC-session (anyone got a link to the complete log?):

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ackcontrols: The PowerVixxen LT has gone to production, docs are being polished up. ackcontrols: Yes, OS4 will be bundled with the Power Vixxen LT ackcontrols: End of january give or take.

@hatschi

So then Adam should be able to produce for us at least pictures of one of those that went into production, even if it ended up being non functional.


@ ACK Software Controls

What say you Adam, put this to rest, show us you are truthful. If you have things to dispute (like maybe that you were not the one in that IRC) let us know. We want to trust you, you are one of the few hopes for a new Amiga. But we have many reasons to be skeptical. Why leave us hanging in such a regard?

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@fairlanefastback

Jens Schoenfeld sent him sample A1200 CPU connectors, he didn't pay and when Jens requested that he return them, he went silent.

Have you seen the Vid of Jens from Breakpoint yet http://breakpoint.untergrund.net/torrents/BP07_Seminar_JensSchoenfeld_Amiga_XViD.avi.torrent

Jens says that he was trying to negotiate a deal to use the Amiga name in conjunction with CloneA. Amiga seemed interested at first but then went silent ala just about every OS4 deal, this time of course it was not an OS4 deal so they can't blame Hyperion in this case.

The most interesting bit is that Jens was saying that Amiga Inc Delaware couldn't prove that they owned the Amiga IP, something that Hyperion are now saying in the court case.

*** Sheesh guys ***

Regardless of what you might think of Adam and ACK ...

Just think about it for a moment ...

AmigaOS 4.0 is in a state of legal limbo.

Given the current uncertain legal situation, is there any manufacturer that would build even 5 systems exclusively for the AmigaOS 4.0 market right now?

Oh, maybe they could use PPC Linux or QNX or whatever for now ...

But Adam has said he does not want to go that route again.

These systems are for AmigaOS 4.0 ...


Surely we can all agree that there might be a few more delays.

IMHO, we should give it a rest, and find something else to talk about.

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@hatschi

I have no more knowledge about Adam's problems than anyone else, but I do know a lot about engineering design and production, having practised it for over 30 years. When you design a printed circuit board, you end up with a CAD file which is sent to the production facility for manufacture. However, long before it gets to the manufacturing stage, the production people have to check the design for faults (holes in the wrong place, chips too close together to be assembled using their machines, multi-layer alignment problems, that sort of thing). I would consider several iterations of the check/rework/recheck loop to be essential for any multi-layer board, let alone something as complex as a CPU motherboard. Each iteration through the loop costs money, and it all has to be spent before they will even consider making real boards on their production line.

Adam did not say "gone INto production", he said "gone TO production". Now (this is looking through my rosy glasses) he COULD have meant that the CAD files had been sent to the production house for checking, not for production. It COULD have been merely the start of the check/rework/recheck process that goes on with every board design.

I think Adam is probably short of cash and can't proceed with the PV designs, any more than he can afford to buy more CPUs to replace those that have died on his prototypes or those that have been sent for repair.

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@redfox

All but one of the announcements was made after the lawsuit was filed and underway and the first undoubtedly during its preparation.

Your point is unfortunately moot then in regard to "Given the current uncertain legal situation, is there any manufacturer that would build even 5 systems exclusively for the AmigaOS 4.0 market right now?". As OSNews.com pointed out, they were supposed to occur anyway despite the lawsuit and the dates show that to be the case.

Here are the dates:
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New Hardware Designs and New Hardware Coming from ACK Software Controls, Inc. and Amiga, Inc.
Two New Hardware Designs for the Amiga Operating System are on their way. PRESS RELEASE
Issaquah, Wash and Fonthill, ON – April 22, 2007
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Amiga Inc v. Hyperion VOFPlaintiff: Amiga Inc
Defendant: Hyperion VOF

Case Number: 2:2007cv00631
Filed: April 26, 2007

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Entry Level Design Details from ACK Controls and Amiga
Entry level product ready for Customers Summer 2007 PRESS RELEASE

Issaquah, Wash and Fonthill, ON Canada – April 29, 2007
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ACK IRC chat

http://os4.exec.pl/IRC/IRC-amigaworld-ACK_org.txt posted to the web May 3rd
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=17856

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Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amiga
Power level product ready for Customers Winter 2007 PRESS RELEASE

Issaquah, Wash and Fonthill, ON Canada – May 7, 2007

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ackcontrls Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 11:29:12 [ #113 ] @glittering You will be eating those words soon enough. Have a nice day! Adam

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@tonyw

You rosy glasses view may indeed be what happened. We are ready to listen to Adam, he need only speak. He can work towards clearing up these valid questions from the community, if he so wishes. Perhaps if he can clear up questions in regard to the Powervixxen and what happened with Jens we can be more open to what he says now in regard to his new Amiga machines.

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I think we should stop putting pressure on him.

If he manges to deliver that would be some awesome news if not then again we don't lose anything!

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Adam did not say "gone INto production", he said "gone TO production". Now (this is looking through my rosy glasses) he COULD have meant that the CAD files had been sent to the production house for checking, not for production. It COULD have been merely the start of the check/rework/recheck process that goes on with every board design.

He also said "End of january give or take." regarding the availability of the PV LT.
Do you think the above ("start of the check/rework/recheck process") would realistically fit within the time-frame of a month before sending out the boards (packaged with manuals, etc.) to the dealers?

@Cool_amigaN
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If he manges to deliver that would be some awesome news if not then again we don't lose anything!

It wouldn't make a difference if he'd manage to deliver since OS4 would still be in a state of legal limbo.

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Cool_amigaN wrote: @fairlanefastback I think we should stop putting pressure on him. If he manges to deliver that would be some awesome news if not then again we don't lose anything!

There are people saving money for the ACK power systems, changing their spending habits this summer in order to do so. He made his bed with all the announcments after the lawsuit. Others have pointed to what they feel are examples of past deception against our community. His methods of relief are simple, show us old Powervixxen boards, or their manuals perhaps, show us new Amiga dev board pics, something. Its no biggie to do so that I can see.

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fairlanefastback wrote: @Cool_amigaN Quote: Cool_amigaN wrote: @fairlanefastback I think we should stop putting pressure on him. If he manges to deliver that would be some awesome news if not then again we don't lose anything! There are people saving money for the ACK power systems, changing their spending habits this summer in order to do so. He made his bed with all the announcments after the lawsuit. Others have pointed to what they feel are examples of past deception against our community. His methods of relief are simple, show us old Powervixxen boards, or their manuals perhaps, show us new Amiga dev board pics, something. Its no biggie to do so that I can see.

I am one of the persons that saves money for a new (any) amiga machine but don't you forget however that the high-end board, even if it is now in a working condition, won't be available for customers before the end of the year!

The low-end computer is relative cheap. Most people can rise the required funds within a two months timeframe (I think at least).

Anyway, I would be also delided If I could see even a photo by those boards but you should also be aware that since Hyperion argues even that Amiga Delaware is the rightfull succesor of Amiga Inc Washington then they can accuse them for stealing their money while they produce an antagonistc product!

Propably Adam has talked about this whole mess over the amiga forums with Bill and he told him to stay quiet for a while.

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I didn't know about Amiga Inc & the CloneA - do you have a date (or range of possible dates) on when they went silent? I'd like to try to find an explanation related to actual happenings, before coming to the conclusion that it was malice...

edit: OK, I watched the Breakpoint 2007 video of Jens talking :) . It took place from the 6th to the 9th of April 2007, and he said he last spoke to them about licensing Kickstart about 3 months ago. That would put it at about January 2007.

Jens has apparently given-up obtaining an original Kickstart license from Amiga Inc, and is going with two possible Kickstart replacements instead (that will only play games). But you should be able to put your own (legal) copy of Kickstart on CloneA's flash disk, if you want to book Workbench. And he is apparently still trying to find who actually owns the Kickstart rights...

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@Cool_amigaN

None of what you say change the points made. Some people are saving money blindly believing him. Which if he is being deceptive is very unfair to do to those people. Unfortunately he has created a history with the community through his own actions that have left a less than positive impression. He has simple ways he could correct that impression.

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Anyway, I would be also delided If I could see even a photo by those boards but you should also be aware that since Hyperion argues even that Amiga Delaware is the rightfull succesor of Amiga Inc Washington then they can accuse them for stealing their money while they produce an antagonistc product!

Thats not so. If it turns out that Hyperion owns OS 4.0 fully than ACK can apply for a license with Hyperion and arrange with them for a port. ACK is making hardware, not software. And in the meantime Amiga can port OS 5.0 to the board, something Hyperion has had nothing to do with. And besides, he went into this with both eyes open, he and Amiga were all gung-ho for the multiple announcments and dates mentioned after the lawsuit was underway.

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@fairlanefastback
There have been REPEATED requests over the years for ACK to show pictures - he never ever did.

After seeing Hatschi's ACK timeline (very easy to digest), along with the lack of repairs & payments, it seems clear to me that ACK is either intentionally being dishonest, or he is actually delusional. I honestly can't see how anyone could have that number of failures to produce products, and have been accused of being a liar SO many times, and yet still fail to show any proof AT ALL ! Unless he doesn't have any proof to show....

At one point last year (or was it the end of 2005?) he was going to show us photographs, and then 'conveniently' just a couple of days before his self-imposed deadline, his father was supposedly taken seriously ill. When a few people (inc. me) questioned this unbelievably timed bad luck, he managed to seriously misunderstand several comments (without actually pointing at any specific ones...), got incredibly stoppy, and then refused to even post on AW.net anymore. Now MAYBE his father really was ill - but given all his past history, it looks far more likely that his lies & failed-promises were catching-up with him, and the above was the only way he could get out without being branded a complete fake. But remember, to this day we have still not seen the photos he promised.

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Of course Adam can't answer all accusations thrown towards him.
If he would acknowledge and admit them, it would give all those who
was decieved and lied to about everything, powers to go up against
him, maybe even court?

If people really sent boards to him, and he never sent them back
one could say he stole them. Maybe he repaired them and sold
them?

He could never admit to any crimes and lies he has done.