@hatschi

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hatschi wrote: @Hans Quote: Really? I don't remember seeing prices for SAM 440 boards (both with and without case, PSU, etc.). Only estimated prices have been given so far (depending on production volume, etc.).

Ah, I see. So he's comparing a price estimate for a complete system to the $99 for a barebones EFIKA board.

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@Hans

I guess we will see the true prices in black on white in just a months time, yes?


@all

From that ad it sure looks like the SAM will be released with OS4 next month ("The Red One", the OS4 color scheme, the Amiga logotype, etc, together with lots of posts and news items in the past about Acube's OS4 partnership, OS4's firmware running on the SAM, the Friedens comments that went along the line "there is no reason to worry", etc, all this together adds up to a pretty clear statement IMHO)? Well if that's the case, I must say it was a big to me, but if so I'm happy that acube managed to find a solution that both Amiga Inc and Hyperion could come together and agree upon!

I guess I might find myself buying some new hardware next month then?

@takemehomegrandma

Blimey, that's optimistic.

Personally I have my doubts - I wouldn't count on it.

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@takemehomegrandma

i also believe that OS4 runs on SAM, but I don't think that there's any kind of solution or agreement to sell it with the motherboard during the ongoing court case. Would be cool to download it, let's say, on eMule ...... Who is that bad guy who shared this on the web ...

ok ok, I better go sleeping now.

It's a sad state of affairs when I can't muster any enthusiasim for this thread.
A couple of months back, I would have been well pleased.
Too many dissapointments now.
Won't believe any rumours or announcements until new hardware along with OS4 is on sale.

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@utri007

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Sam has same performance than efika except it cost five times more and none has OS4

Haha.. Sorry if I laugh! But that statement is not the smartest comment I've read.

Efika is not usable (maybe if you have REALLY low acceptance) as a desktop board
so how can you even compare them?

* SAM has higher SoC performance than Efika, that's for sure. 667MHz compared to
400MHz. Yes MHz is not everything but these are comparable technologies.
The same processor family SAM uses has announced +1GHz CPUs also. Good to
know for future versions of the board.

* SAM has 512MB standard, upgradable to atleast 1GB. 128MB locked on Efika.

* SAM has SATA, 4 ports. DVD-burner, harddisk and whatever is possible. At the
same time. Efika has one IDE port supporting 1 unit, a harddisk. Also long cables is
not supported if I'm not mistaken (due to timing issues with the SoC I believe)

* SAM has graphics onboard, Radeon Mobility 9x00 so the PCI slot is free.

I don't know the end user price, but 500$ for the bare board is probably not true.
Especially not without OS4. We have to compare without a OS because Efika's
price of 99$ is based without MorphOS.
As a board it's atleast worth 3 times as much as Efika anyway.

IMHO of course, as always.

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@Samwel & utri007

...and the thread runs its inevitable course...

@hatschi

Meaning?

I don't think they compare well performance wise.. I think most people would agree.
Don't you?

This has NOTHING to do with what OS it runs.. I hope the MOS team ports MorphOS
to SAM aswell. Think Linux, MorphOS and AmigaOS4 on the same machine.
Then maybe some Windows machine could be kicked out?

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@fairlanefastback

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MorphOS not available for it (given that Genesi partially payrolls MorphOS development and Efika is ahead in line).

My impression is that MorphOS Team would not let Genesi dictate what hardware MorphOS runs on.

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@gary_c

Yes and also Genesi doesn't pay the MOS team salory anymore or anything
like that. They sometimes donate money to show support. Or am I wrong?

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@DFergATL

I think what we need is an AmigaOne emulator. I know it's illegal, but it's been done before and people have gotten away with it. Anyway, the courts seem to be gripped with paralysis. It might hurt the hardware and software producers. I think they have forfeited any goodwill still remaining from the Amiga community. Amiga emulators have played a big role in keeping the Amiga alive all this time.

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@thinkchip

1. No need for an emulator per se, but rather, the virtual machine that Rogue was talking about, that would integrate nicely into a host OS (e.g. HyperionOS4.1).

2. The licence agreement limits Hyperion releasing AmigaOS to classic, if the lawsuit goes KMOS's way.

However, regardless of the source code transferrence to KMOS, there's nothing stopping Hyperion from creating HyperionOS4.1, which, while an Amiga like OS in it's own right happens to be able to run AmigaOS4.0(classic edition) in a virtual machine.

HyperionOS4.1 would be more modern, with full MP, SMP, API design fixes and new Workbench for example.

Then ACube, which can legally sell the AmigaOS4 classic version to classic users, could sell HyperionOS with SAM, and also a copy of AmigaOS4.0 (classic) separately.

Hyperion could potentially double dip and not pay KMOS a cent. FUBM!!!

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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@gary_c

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gary_c wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: MorphOS not available for it (given that Genesi partially payrolls MorphOS development and Efika is ahead in line). My impression is that MorphOS Team would not let Genesi dictate what hardware MorphOS runs on. -- gary_c

Which is an easy task when there is not much to choose from. Genesi hardware
or Sam.

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@Manu

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Manu wrote: @gary_c Quote: My impression is that MorphOS Team would not let Genesi dictate what hardware MorphOS runs on. -- gary_c Which is an easy task when there is not much to choose from. Genesi hardware or Sam.

By being "the red one" in marketing materials the acube team signals some distance towards MorphOS, at least IMHO. The terms "Red" and "Blue" is solely used in segregation contexts in this community...

@takemehomegrandma

I believe it is appropriate, is not exclusionary, and clearly hints at the direction we all hope they will be able to go in.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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@Naz

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but I don't think that there's any kind of solution or agreement to sell it with the motherboard during the ongoing court case

Surely they wouldn't use Amiga Inc logotypes and make all those not-very-subliminal references to OS4 in their marketing materials if they don't have an agreement?

@BigBentheAussie

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I believe it is appropriate, is not exclusionary, and clearly hints at the direction we all hope they will be able to go in.

Indeed. It could have been "the highly integrated one", "the flexible one with a FPGA", "the little desktop with big potential" or whatever, but being "the red one" clearly signals the purpose of the board. The chance that acube will negotiate with the MorphOS team seems to be none-existent. This board is for OS4, period.

@BigBentheAussie



There are really just 2 options:

-Hyperion wins the case, OS4 runs on whatever HW they like

-Hyperion doesn't win the case, releasing anything that even suggest being related to OS4 in the most subtile way is mere suicide.






Well o.k. actually there is another option:

- Hyperion spend x years developing a COMPLETLY alien OS and than let the user hunt down an illegal copy of OS4 to be run inside the emulator (or whatever you wanna call it).

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@DFergATL

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But honeslty, how many times can they do this to us??

What do you mean? They haven't done anything to us!

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@Manu

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Manu wrote: Anybody that has their doubts about the future of OS4 on sam can just take a closer look at my avatar.

albeit watching it I'm not so shure if he's maybe digging it out..

well, if he's not I choose to believe in the "returning of the death".