@Rogue

Will a Kickflash or eFlash be of any use with OS4, to reduce boot times etc?

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Rogue wrote: @Stephen_Robinson Quote: is dual OS4/3.* booting possible, easy to do etc? Dual boot is possible, all you have to do is install the two OSes on different partitions and have a way of choosing where to boot from. That might be as simple as going into the early startup menu and selecting the disk. Someone could write a small program that would let you choose e.g. between OS 3, OS 4 and MorphOS. I don't see any trouble with that.

Try OSSelector from Aminet.

@AndrewBell

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Will a Kickflash or eFlash be of any use with OS4, to reduce boot times etc?

Not yet. We'll see what can be done there, problem is that most of these cards have too little flashrom space to put a kickstart image in.

I've tried LZMA (the best compressor available I think) and I can compress a kickstart down to 1.6 MB, which would fit the big eFlash version. LZMA is relatively expensive to decompress if you only have a 68040 or so, so it might not be faster than loading the kickstart from disk.

What can be done with the current flashrom cards is to replace the scsi.device with the newer 52.x version of AmigaOS 4.0; that way you would get rid off the requirement to place the boot partition within the first 4 gigs of a disk. Another possibility would be to write a set of utilities that can generate a "pre-relocated" flat kickstart file on a harddisk and load that in directly at boot without going through an actual boot (it would obviously need to do direct disk access). That would probably also dramatically cut down on boot time, but since booting is relatively fast, the benefit is doubtful.

For reference, when I switch on my classic (IDE disk, unmodified vanilla install of AmigaOS 4.0 on it), I'm ready to go (i.e. on Workbench, and all startup has executed and the disk is quiet again) in 40 seconds. 15 or so seconds of that are taken by the first boot. You could cut this down by tweaking startup-sequence too (network startup takes quite a bit of time unless you put it into a "RUN"), or not loading a JPEG backdrop picture, etc.

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@AndrewBell

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Try OSSelector from Aminet.

I only need one OS on my classic

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@Rogue

It sounded like there might be an upgrade to the Kickflash card using the clockport
to upgrade to 1GB of memory...

http://siliconsonic.de/t/kickflash_e.pdf

@Rogue

Will there any support for AmigaOS 4.0 in addition to your participation in the forums?
I was thinking of a central phone number or email-address where people can get help. Or will ACube take care of that in the framework of the "strategic partnership" with Hyperion?

@TetiSoft

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I could understand it eventually when somebody would complain that OS4 for theAOne cant run WarpUp applications, but I fail to see the need to start OS4on a classic machine for running a WarpUp demo. Just start OS3 with WarpUpfor this.

Yes, being able to use OS3/PPC is handy and would enable one to use WarpUP, kind of like having an Update #4 setup on an A1.

But, since you have given a qualifier, I am going to complain that my OS4 Final setup on my A1 can't run WarpUP applications, so there.

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The same type of argument can be used for running games which need WHDLoad.Such a game is IMHO not a "friendly" game (not friendly to the OS and notfriendly to the user, otherwise it would be harddisk installable). OS4 mayor may not be compatible enough to run a game which runs under OS3 plusWHDLoad, but it really doesnt matter, the user doesnt need to destroy hisexisting OS3 setup to install OS4.

With WHDLoad they are friendlier, as it allows you to run a hardware bashing game that takes over the system, then quit it nicely. But it won't stop it doing it's thing. On OS4 running such games or in my experience "friendly" hardware bashing games ends up in a blank pointer IIRC. When "nothing" happens on screen you know it is writing to the custom chips but nothing else is going to happen because those addresses don't do anything.

@wegster

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That probably should have been written as more of a generic question, or perhaps not at all. Remember, we took questions from users - not all, or even several of them are mine, although I did expand or re-phrase most of them. Again, I think the question is really a moot point, as for starters, there is currently no emulation that could emulate either an A1 nor a classic with PPC, on any platform. Secondly, while someone may place restrictions inside a EULA, they are notoroiously unenforceable, essentially

My statement was more of a generic one, rather than being AmigaOS4 related. So, I was really referring to just running WarpUP or PowerUP software natively on the host CPU on Mac EUAE.

But, using that feature to run AmigaOS4, which would need a hack is not what I was intending to suggest.

@hatschi

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Will there any support for AmigaOS 4.0 in addition to your participation in the forums?I was thinking of a central phone number or email-address where people can get help. Or will ACube take care of that in the framework of the "strategic partnership" with Hyperion?

Not answering for HJF here, but maybe you missed a "news" release?
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27 Oct 2007 13:55:00 GMT+1   ACube Systems and Relec partnership   ACube Systems is pleased to announce to have reached an agreement with the switzerland company Relec for the exclusive distribution of its products (including the Sam440ep motherboard) in the Swiss and France countries. Relec will also give post-sale assistance to customers of these countries.

"post-sale assistance" is a bit vague, imo.

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@hatschi

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Will there any support for AmigaOS 4.0 in addition to your participation in the forums? I was thinking of a central phone number or email-address where people can get help. Or will ACube take care of that in the framework of the "strategic partnership" with Hyperion?

Plainly, I don't know. I know for sure that I will get a load of personal E-mail again, it has always been that way and I don't really mind as long as people don't start nagging for an answer after ten minutes (don't laugh, that happened more than once; some guy once sent me the same email again and again over a day with "why haven't you replied yet" added).

Beyond that, you'd have to ask Hyperion and/or ACube.

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@Rogue


Hi,

Just a quick question.

Will the OS4 developer information come with OS4 for classic ?


Kind Regards, Wol..

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@number6

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Not answering for HJF here, but maybe you missed a "news" release?

Thanks, but I have seen this announcement. I was thinking about a central point for support, not something which differs according to the country you live in or the vendor you purchased from. Since Hyperion apparently (and perhaps understandably) cannot provide such resources, I was asking myself if it might be included in the agreement they made with Acube. Hyperion's announcement in March: "More details regarding the companies’ strategic partnership will be announced shortly." Hmmm...

@moderators

I suppose when it IS released, you guys will add an "OS4 on Classic" forum?

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@stokey

I hope WinUAE gets PPC emulation

If i could buy OS4 from Cloanto in a future Amigaforever I would !

@wegster

Will OS4 on Classic Amiga's run more classic software than A1, since it can access the custom chips? Or do the custom chips act like just another video card?

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@thinkchip

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Will OS4 on Classic Amiga's run more classic software than A1, since it can access the custom chips?

In theory yes.
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Or do the custom chips act like just another video card?

Probably Paula acts like Paula, Denise acts like Denise
and Agnus acts like Agnus...

Have read several times about PCI cards working in a Mediator under OS4, if the Mediator drivers are used instead of OS4.0 drivers.

Have any of the beta testers tried this and can they provide any tips on how to go about this?

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@Mr_DBUG

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Mr_DBUG wrote: @stokey I hope WinUAE gets PPC emulation If i could buy OS4 from Cloanto in a future Amigaforever I would !

Toni Willen has stated many times that this is not going to happen ever period. UAE was designed to emulate the classic machine only, and not 3rd party add-ons like the CSPPC/BPPC.

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@_Steve_

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_Steve_ wrote: Toni Willen has stated many times that this is not going to happen ever period. UAE was designed to emulate the classic machine only, and not 3rd party add-ons like the CSPPC/BPPC.

Isn't WinUAE open source though?
Saying that something is never going to happen when you're talking about an Open Source project is a little daft...

@Spirantho

Ok, then let me rephrase that to he said that he would never add it period (and being the WinUAE maintainer until he hands over the reigns, this will remain true).

You still have to ask yourself what the point is in adding a "PPC" cpu core into UAE anyway. UAEs main speed benefits come from the fact it uses a JIT, and that it ignores a lot of the internal timings to speed things up. Given that UAE doesn't emulate an 040/060 at the real speed of an 040/060, there seems little point in wanting to bolt on a PPC core to emulate a "faster" processor slower than the "slower" processor already found in the (emulated) machine.

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