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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
Posted on 6-Sep-2008 17:31:08
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@opi

So how do you know that?

Does it run WHDLoad or some thing? NO
Does it run programs that use CIAA/CIAB timers? NO
Does it run Blitter stuff? NO

So what does MorphOS run better?

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Everything ;p

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@Kicko

Lots of thought went through that comment right?

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Yes exactly MorphOS run every thing that does not have a name better.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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magellan to begin with?

Ah, and most hyperion games run better, too.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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I have a PegII with a 1GHZ G-4 processor and without a doubt it does run everything better and faster than my old Amigas.....PageStream, DPaint III & IV, etc.... and it runs almost everything that I can throw at it without any problems, even those programs that bang the hardware. Of course I don't use many of the old Amiga games on it because I didn't buy it for that. I bought it to do real work. If you're looking to play old games or use applications that are tied to the old Amiga architecture, then get a used A500 or a Minimig. You can't really expect new operating systems and new hardware to be 100% backward compatible with all software. That's just plain crazy. That doesn't happen in the PC world and not the Mac world either, so why do you keep making it an issue now with Amiga software that's 15-20+ years old now? I'm willing to sacrifice some backward compatibility for enhanced performance and increased capabilities. If you choose to remain in the Amiga dark ages, then by all means, stay there, but stop being critical of those who have chosen to move forward in both hardware and software. MorphOS has proven itself to me and others. Why don't you at least try it before you go around knocking it???!!!

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@ferrels

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I have a PegII with a 1GHZ G-4 processor and without a doubt it does run everything better and faster than my old Amigas.....PageStream, DPaint III & IV


Yes this programs works fine on my 1Ghz G4 / AmigaOS4, no problem even LastHope for AmigaOS2.1 runs fine too.

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even those programs that bang the hardware.


Thats not impossible whit including chipset emulation and MorphOS does not have it.

You will need EUAE to run this programs and EUAE runs on OS4 too..

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@Fab

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magellan to begin with?


MorphOS users are basing there idea that MorphOS runs 680x0 programs better on one single application?

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Ah, and most hyperion games run better, too.


But they run on AmigaOS4 too.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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OK, so what's your point? You keep bashing MorphOS because it doesn't properly run old software that bangs the hardware. But neither does your A1 running AmigaOS4. They both need to UAE to run "antique" software like Amiga games.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@opi


Even better than OS4.
Now how would you know that?

Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Amiga Classic + PPC, few reference boards from Freescale, Efika (unreleased now).

Nothing there... Ah, prejudices!

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@ferrels

Ferrels, my point is opi clames that MorphOS runs classic software better then AmigaOS4 whit any any sold prof of that, i was not "bashing", I was just clamming that was MorphOS was no better then AmigaOS4, because it has the same limitations.

When I first got AmigaOS4 i used MorphOS guides on have run classic programs, yes it was fun for short period, but now days, I use native PowerPC programs just like even one using MorphOS to day.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Oh, I see. Sorry to misunderstand you. You are correct that MorphOS is no better than AmigaOS4 when it comes to old software.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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AROS is better than both OS4 and MOS

See...I came to play too

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Well, you asked for at least one name, so i gave you one. And it's not because i only gave one there may be only one, but i referred to magellan because it's quite known, so well known that gurumeditation is supposed to make a magellan os4 port for years now.

Last time i checked, shogo didn't work in hw mode. Freespace needed a native version (but no hw mode either), and H2 had some display issues (and no hw mode either in native port). And also, as far as i know WosEmu was removed from OS4 for some reason, but this is a different matter.

And also, why does something like wipeout 2097 systematically dies at exit on OS4?

But this is way off-topic now. :)

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@Fab

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And also, as far as i know WosEmu was removed from OS4 for some reason, but this is a different matter.


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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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And also, why does something like wipeout 2097 systematically dies at exit on OS4?
)


ah, you little troll.

Here's the thing, it doesn't crash on morphos , fair enough...BUT you need to apply the patch needed for it (or else it won't work).


@Nuts

Why not put on the brakes once in a while and read what you actually write.


@all

Compability wise Morphos is better than OS4 but thats because they choose to stay in the past (which is very important to alot of people) with certain components and backbones.

Amiga OS4 on the Other hand took the update way and decided it was time for a rework on the whole shebang and adding much needed features, it was not the best choice for gamers since it broke compability in several areas, that said..the foundation it now has (the OS) is that its going forward instead of staying in the past.

If you wan't to play Older Amiga games then i suggest you guys check out UAE speeds before you buy but to be totally honest, i recomend you guys just get an Amiga 1200 with a 060 cpu card and 32/64mb ram and a hdd/cdrom combo as you would be much more happy with that if its the games u want and not the OS.


For people into the OS , both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 are very competent options although both are still lacking normal every day stuff.



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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Hi,

well I have a MacMini 1.5Ghz, so:
1) I'm ready to test

a) Mona - Which I got partially through until screen freeze. But Kickstart is better than nothing.

b) AROS - Great a bit better I get to the Desktop, but no mouse.

c) MorphOS - If I can get a copy of even for a flaky install.

d) Amiga OS4.x which is the main course really.

2) Then developer, but I would be a beginner, unless Java is available, then I would be a Core Developer.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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@Fab

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Last time i checked, shogo didn't work in hw mode.


Works now, avoid the startup GUI, there is problem in wizard.library,

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Freespace needed a native version (but no hw mode either),


Freespace was ported to AmigaOS4 before WarpOS emu existed.
I never tried the WarpOS version.

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H2 had some display issues (and no hw mode either in native port).


Works fine now, display issues gone.

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WosEmu was removed from OS4 for some reason,


A new version exists now.

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why does something like wipeout 2097 systematically dies at exit on OS4?


because there is bug in wo2097_mixer child task, you don't need reboot any more just kill the task.

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Re: MorphOS on Mac Mini
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Compability wise Morphos is better than OS4 but thats because they choose to stay in the past (which is very important to alot of people) with certain components and backbones.


Keeping backwards compatibility does not sacrifice options to make OS even better. There is new memory system, 3D layers and 64bit DOS packets to mention few but you can still debug DOS packets using old 68k SnoopDOS.

But there is at least one 68k software which does not work in MorphOS and never did: C= Ed.

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Amiga OS4 on the Other hand took the update way and decided it was time for a rework on the whole shebang and adding much needed features, it was not the best choice for gamers since it broke compability in several areas, that said..the foundation it now has (the OS) is that its going forward instead of staying in the past.


What much needed features OS4 actually implements?

But one could see of course that time spent to analyse 68k software issues could be spent on bug fixing MorphOS elsewhere.

(Edit: should add that it is not problem to me when someone is using OS4. It is their own choice and right.)

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Compability wise Morphos is better than OS4


Thats very exaggerated.

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because they choose to stay in the past


And I don't believe this true either, they choose a different path then AmigaOS4 thats true.

MorphOS support software hack, AmigaOS4 does not support hack, where hacks helps Compability for MorphOS I don't think so, because they are undocumented features only where few know about, so it only tiny percent of programs that will use this.

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Amiga OS4 on the Other hand took the update way and decided it was time for a rework on the whole shebang and adding much needed features,


Yes I know AmigaOS4 really advanced.

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it was not the best choice for games since it broke compability in several areas,


Considering the missing Hardware components like Paula sound chip and CIAA/CIAB timers, and blitter stuff, I will say that thing does not look so bad.

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that said..the foundation it now has (the OS) is that its going forward instead of staying in the past.


I don't think the picture is as black and white as that.

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