@fairlanefastback

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Quote: Since many of us don't know who Troika is beyond a username on an internet forum I think its only natural, given prior Amiga, Inc. behavior, for some to suspect they may have had a hand in this oddly timed announcement. Unsubstantiated or not some are going to suspect it.

At the risk you answering that these are Bill's words and therefore not to be trusted:

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Bill McEwen -- We are in current discussions with three companies, and I believe that two of them have product and offerings that offer a competitive opportunity for the Amiga community. We are striving to get these deals complete, and until they are signed I am not at liberty to discuss them. I will say that Troika is not one of them, contrary to what is rumbling out there

Source: http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6955

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Does anyone know anything more about them or their workers to lend some credibility to them?

Yes. But I go along with Hans-Joerg on this one. The hardware developers should speak for themselves and their own projects initially. I'm sure either Hyperion and/or the Friedens would post something if it really needed to be clarified at this juncture.

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@Jupp3

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So Amiga inc. actually did grant a license for sam440 (and future sam designs)?

Nope, sorry if I mis-lead you to think that. AInc hasn't issued any license other then for the A1.

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Also I think it would be weird from them to grant them a license so that they could compete with their official hardware partner (ACK) and not announce it to the public in any way.

As pointed out elsewhere, ACK is not working for or with AI anymore.

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Especially when the hardware is already publicly available for sale.

ACK had a design only, nothing he did was every produced & sold to the public.

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@number6

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At the risk you answering that these are Bill's words and therefore not to be trusted:

Do you trust his words? Do many of us?

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The hardware developers should speak for themselves and their own projects initially.

Thats cool, *IF* they really are a hardware developer. The question at hand is a lot more basic than that. That question is, does anyone know anything about Troika the company and/or its workers to think that they are credible as a company? Maybe they just suck at PR for all I know. *Or* maybe they aren't a hardware developer at all. Maybe they aren't even a real firm for all I and some others know. All I know for sure is that its a person with an account on several Amiga forum sites that posts stuff about hardware they are supposedly making and a lot of folks from seeing previous unreleased projects and announcements call them a hoax or at least voice that suspicion.

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@Yo

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Yo wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Bottom line is, if we were to find out if Hyperion takes them seriously, then we can. Dude!! Way to put the monkey on Hyperion's back! Epic!

Let me put it another way. If I'm Hyperion and I think Troika is a fraud I'd be pretty ####ed that they are calling themselves my firm's good friend and using OS 4 official logos on their site. So to a degree it might be in Hyperion's interest to let us know if they are trying to send potential SAM buyers on a wild goose chase or not. I'm not saying its not a sticky situation, nor am I saying they have to respond. Just that it would help if they feel able to.

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@fairlanefastback

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Do you trust his words? Do many of us?

I was more or less showing where the confusion about Troika being somehow related to AI might have stemmed from.
As with Acube, AHT, and all others...Troika contacted Amiga Inc. for discussing licensing because that was the information put forth to the hardware devs regarding policy at THAT time.

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@number6

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number6 wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Do you trust his words? Do many of us? I was more or less showing where the confusion about Troika being somehow related to AI might have stemmed from. As with Acube, AHT, and all others...Troika contacted Amiga Inc. for discussing licensing because that was the information put forth to the hardware devs regarding policy at THAT time. #6

I'm not sure that as many people were confusing them as you might think though. Some people I'm sure believe Troika is real, some people seem to believe they are a fabrication, either by someone trying to just be a troublemaker in general, or maybe someone sympathetic to Amiga, Inc. Like I said I think when someone said the "Amiga Inc. gang" I think they are referring more to a group of companies (whether real or imagined) that are not to be trusted rather than to say they are officially affiliated.

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@fairlanefastback

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I'm not sure that as many people were confusing them as you might think though.

I never said I thought "a lot". I just know, as well as -you- do, that we have a lot of new users and it's sometimes useful to repeat things to set the record straight.

I suggested at one time that due to acknowleged lack of resources on the part of everyone in the "old" partnership, that they consider using a central source for PR and/or news releases.
Unfortunately, although I got some positive feedback, this comes down to NDA in some cases standing in the way.
Ergo, we end up with each "entity" having to do their own PR.
I'm sorry that with the few people involved in each spoke of the wheel here, we can't really expect the level of PR you wish we had.

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@Rogue

Could you port, please, OS4 to my mobile toaster?

JK

Rogue is right. He's not the Hyperion Boss. A business proposal is the right thing to do.
Give a YDL workstation to him doesn't mean (imho) that he or someone else of the OS4 team will start a port without the Hyperion management permission.

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@sundown

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Quote: Especially when the hardware is already publicly available for sale. ACK had a design only, nothing he did was every produced & sold to the public.

I was "obviously" refering to Sam, but reading my original post, it wasn't all that clear, modified it to clear off further confusion.

Anyway as I see it:
1)Neither Sam or Troika have an OS4 license from Amiga inc.
2)Despite having no license from Amiga inc. there's OS4 for Sam440 available. Also support for Pegasos 2 was announced, no word from Amiga inc. about the license for it.
3)Becouse of this, it shouldn't matter if Troika got a license from Amiga inc. or not - currently it seems to be only Hyperion that matters.

That is just how I see it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

@Troika

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Amy is ready, willing and able to operate AmigaOs4 that she was originally designed for. Our only obstacle at the present time, is the lawsuit between Amiga Inc., and Hyperion.

BTW, if this is true, why is SAM doing what you claim can not be done at this time?


quote source:
http://www.troikang.com/contact.html

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The my new motherboard with the collaboration of amiga inc:

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Reference board troika/freescale


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Features MPC8349E mITX Office in a Box Reference Platform features: In addition to the highly integrated MPC8349E processor, the reference platform leverages external components to support these additional features: * 10/100/1000 Ethernet port, a 5-port Gigabit Ethernet switch * Four-port USB 2.0 interface * On-board 4-port PCI serial advanced technology attachment (SATA) controller * 32-bit PCI slot, and a 32-bit MiniPCI slot * FLASH memory slot * Robust memory subsystem * Two-port RS-232C interface * Power supply * SATA hard drive

"hardware" amiga inc

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* Flex-ATX form factor motherboard based on the Freescale MPC8349E SoC. (400MHz to 667MHz depending on requirements and price target) * 1 (one) DDR2 DIMM slot expandable to 1GB using unregistered DIMMs. * 1 (one) 66MHz PCI slot for use with readily available graphics cards. * 2 (two) 33MHz PCI slots for additional expansion. * 2 (two) 10/100/1Gb Ethernet Ports. * 4 (four) Hi Speed USB ports. * 2 (two) serial ports. * 4 (four) SATA ports provided by a Silicon Image Sil3114 controller. * Onboard sound provided by a C-Media CMI8738. * Socketed EEPROM for U-Boot firmware. * Atmel ATC2408A serial EEPROM (1 kb of non-volatile storage) * Dallas DS1339 RTC with battery holder. * Standard ATX power supply connector.

Same ideas

@Troika

Watch the video:

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@retro

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iff you are intrasted i will give you a pair off these,. and i dont think you will need a licens from ether hyperion or amiga inc. to make a grown up boy happy...

I don't need a license for that, but I am sorry to say that I am strictly into females only.

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@Jupp3

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- currently it seems to be only Hyperion that matters.

Since ACube and Hyperion are partners, an OS4 port for Amy can be difficult, since it may cut the sales of ACubes Sam440.
So ACube possibly matters too.

EDIT: If Amy really exists matters too of course.

@all
Feel free to correct me as well

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@marko

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marko wrote: @Jupp3 Quote: - currently it seems to be only Hyperion that matters. Since ACube and Hyperion are partners, an OS4 port for Amy can be difficult, since it may cut the sales of ACubes Sam440. So ACube possibly matters too. @all Feel free to correct me as well

I bet the current low end sam would be disconnected by the time troika released this board, if they ever release it that is....

Y A V P B T

@Totally_Blind_Mule

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Totally_Blind_Mule wrote: Y A V P B T

Yet Another Victory Posting by Troika? Am I close?

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@billt

An older post of yours, think page 3.

Yeah, alright, I understand what your sayng, but I was just trying to point out to Troika, after there suposed other boards, that they may as well pack it up if they dont make it over 1Ghz cpu power. OVER not 1 GHZ but OVEr. Something like 1.5ghz is atleast a starting point to the medium range entry level, so I believe.

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